I know the 12s are out to see there first season on the snow but, what do you all think Cat may improve on for next year? I'm not one to buy a first year out sled.....so a 13 will be in my trailer after this season. (I hope the electric start issue is fixed by then!)
LX700kev
2013 sleds. What's to improve on?
Nothing they are perfect! LOL.. I have not even got my 12 yet! How would anyone know what to improve yet? Not ripping on your post - just saying ALOT of guys dont even have the new sleds yet.. But I think there is always things to improve so after i get mine and put some miles on I will share
maybe some black staples and office apparel to fill the hole in the dash :lol: naa just kidding, gotta have something to make the others "think" they are better than us, dont want the competition feeling too bad about themselves Rockerdude we will have to wait until this winter to see how well these things hold up and if any issues pop up they will have no choice to adress them!!
Agreed- this is one of the most retarded threads ever. You want to know what needs to be improved upon before anyone has even ridden a production sled? :Bangin:
I'm wit this guy ^^^^^^ like seriously how would any one kno other then the things right now like staples, and big hole, that's bout it. U must not remember the 03 f7 witch was a first year production sled that 9 yeas later is still dominating the grass drags. Plus who wants to drive a twin spar for another year,when these sexy machine are available now!
I like to see if any body misses having the infinite rider position in the moving seat. I love my movable seat and wonder why they got away from it.
Agreed. I've never moved my seat however. I'm too tall to be able to use the adjustment. I'd like to sit higher but then I'm sitting "too tall in the saddle" and way over the windshield. Good question tho.
Cat is probably working on the 2013 sleds as we speak, so an excellent time to post this. I have a new 1100na.
1. Seat and handlebars: seat needs to be a little higher to match handlebar height
2. Seat is too long: at 6 ft I don't even come close to reaching rear lip of seat
3. Offset dually carbides suck, they might work if they had a larger host bar. Had these on a couple previous Cats and they are worthless
4. This is minor, but Cat in recent history likes to blacken out the bottom portion of the windshield. Many of us from the old school like this clear so we can see the top or sides of the cowling.
All minor issues.
Mike
1. Seat and handlebars: seat needs to be a little higher to match handlebar height
2. Seat is too long: at 6 ft I don't even come close to reaching rear lip of seat
3. Offset dually carbides suck, they might work if they had a larger host bar. Had these on a couple previous Cats and they are worthless
4. This is minor, but Cat in recent history likes to blacken out the bottom portion of the windshield. Many of us from the old school like this clear so we can see the top or sides of the cowling.
All minor issues.
Mike
more horsepower, cleaner 2 strokes, better shocks, better suspensions, bring the IRP back, better tracks, better clutching, lighter yet!!, better ski's, BNG'S!!!, the dash area was definitely an afterthought so we will see improvements there...
I think alot of it with the turbo output, will depend on what the competition does.. if they ever decide to step it up you just know cat will too...
and the most obvious change of them all? MSRP..these things will continue to cost more and more $$$$$$
I think alot of it with the turbo output, will depend on what the competition does.. if they ever decide to step it up you just know cat will too...
and the most obvious change of them all? MSRP..these things will continue to cost more and more $$$$$$
For 2013...put the 500 in the procross. Doesn't have to be the SnoPro racer...although that would be great in the 2012 600 racer chassis. But just the F5LXR in the ProCross. I'd buy one...then 720 it !!
(EDIT: actually, I'd buy 2. Sell my wife's twin spar 6 and put her on the 5 ProCross. Then 720 one for me.)
Better yet, give us back the 600 2s consumer sled.
Fix issues that are already showing even with nobody having miles on them yet. Fit-n-finish is something Cat just can't seem to tackle. Production line consistency is another.
My thought on the IRP... With the seat.... might be a bit hard to do now that the seat base is your gas tank. Although the adjustable bars should never have been lost......
(EDIT: actually, I'd buy 2. Sell my wife's twin spar 6 and put her on the 5 ProCross. Then 720 one for me.)
Better yet, give us back the 600 2s consumer sled.
Fix issues that are already showing even with nobody having miles on them yet. Fit-n-finish is something Cat just can't seem to tackle. Production line consistency is another.
My thought on the IRP... With the seat.... might be a bit hard to do now that the seat base is your gas tank. Although the adjustable bars should never have been lost......
Two-up, Turbo 144" version of the Pro Cross chassis. Should be a comfortable, stable trail sled with the slide action rear suspension, light weight and long track should make it very good off trail, and should spank just about anything else out there (except another Cat Turbo)... Cat happy
Just saw the new cats at our local snowmobile show. I'm really torn on this new sled.
Worries:
Rear tunnel worries me as it is very thin aluminum on the top of the tunnel (basically bows in with very little pressure).
The colored material on the back of the seat looks like very cheap vinyl (rest of the seat where you sit is nice).
The pins used to hold the side plastic on (like Polaris) feel like they could twist to the open position with little effort (actually, one of the Cat techs was tilting the sled from side to side and dropping it back to the ground to show off the front suspension and the side panel actually popped loose).
Fit and finish: almost every plastic panel had little edges/burs left on them from the molding process, decals were not exactly where they were suppose to be (some ran past the edges and were folded over the edge), and two had seat stitching that was coming apart (was actually surprised to see them on the floor with that issue).
When going from a comfortable standing position to a seated position, both mine and my wife's knees hit the couling. I actually had to slide back on the seat and then the handlebars were too far ahead. I would have to adjust the bars back 2-3 inches, but would then lose a little height for standing (small thing as a riser would probably fix this).
Steering: many of my Doo friends who saw the Cats at a spring show noticed the steering effort was different between left and right turns and that the turning radius looked different from left to right. I though they were nuts. But yes, it turns harder one way than the other and not as much one way as the other. (I'm sure it would just be a matter of getting used to it).
Plus's:
Look rank!!
The 800 and 1100 Turbo!! (enough said)
Front suspension -- if it can handle sno pro racing, it will handle anything I throw at it.
Seating height is nice -- little higher than my Crossfire, more comfortable.
Going back to chain drive system. Simple, efficient, easier to maintain.
Lighter.
Just my 2cents.
Worries:
Rear tunnel worries me as it is very thin aluminum on the top of the tunnel (basically bows in with very little pressure).
The colored material on the back of the seat looks like very cheap vinyl (rest of the seat where you sit is nice).
The pins used to hold the side plastic on (like Polaris) feel like they could twist to the open position with little effort (actually, one of the Cat techs was tilting the sled from side to side and dropping it back to the ground to show off the front suspension and the side panel actually popped loose).
Fit and finish: almost every plastic panel had little edges/burs left on them from the molding process, decals were not exactly where they were suppose to be (some ran past the edges and were folded over the edge), and two had seat stitching that was coming apart (was actually surprised to see them on the floor with that issue).
When going from a comfortable standing position to a seated position, both mine and my wife's knees hit the couling. I actually had to slide back on the seat and then the handlebars were too far ahead. I would have to adjust the bars back 2-3 inches, but would then lose a little height for standing (small thing as a riser would probably fix this).
Steering: many of my Doo friends who saw the Cats at a spring show noticed the steering effort was different between left and right turns and that the turning radius looked different from left to right. I though they were nuts. But yes, it turns harder one way than the other and not as much one way as the other. (I'm sure it would just be a matter of getting used to it).
Plus's:
Look rank!!
The 800 and 1100 Turbo!! (enough said)
Front suspension -- if it can handle sno pro racing, it will handle anything I throw at it.
Seating height is nice -- little higher than my Crossfire, more comfortable.
Going back to chain drive system. Simple, efficient, easier to maintain.
Lighter.
Just my 2cents.
I wouldn't say that THIS chain case is easier to maintain. There is no drain plug- so you have to crack the case open to drain it. It is not going to be difficult, just kind of a pain in the butt....
I've been thinking about what I would suggest for changes for next year as I've been going over my sled inch by inch and what I really like about it.
I'm very impressed with the styling they have brought to the sled. I really like the open cowling idea, the raised contoured air intakes and the simple gauge placement. I love the naked look of the console area as it contrasts from sleek to functional - brilliant! Little details like the design of the rear rails just screams custom. The ProCross logo on the rear of the tunnel is very cool. Style is what has been missing from sleds for quite a while and Cat has delivered big time.
Riding position is perfect for me at 5'11", 200 lbs. bars are right where they should be, knee angle perfect, easy to move around, (at least in the garage where I test ride it nightly), and the room to stretch out on the seat is perfect. Not cramped at all.
The packaging of so many powerplants into the same chassis giving up nothing from a handling and ride perspective is an engineering marvel in itself. I experimented with lifting the sled and the center of balance is way back. I'm not sure how they pulled it off but someone did their homework.
The chassis is well thought out form a functional perspective as well as repair. Use of structural forming in the tunnel to build strength without heavy material is engineering at it's finest.
Breaking the hood and decals into subs assemblies makes for a more cost effective repair if a panel is damaged. Same technology is applied to the chassis, easy to repair.
I have to say, that I think they nailed this sled for 2012 as a new release.
For 2013 there are a few things that I think could be addressed.
1) - windscreen choice program like Polaris - pick the size you want up front.
2) - Include basic belt and tool storage somewhere without having to buy an optional bag. My wife for example has a latex allergy and if the belts contain latex (rubber) she cannot have them stored with her spare clothes or lunch.
3) - carbide choice check box for a few options - to save riders tossing out carbides that come factory. If they could save $30 per sled by just having steel bars for transportation I'd take it.
4) - Factory order - upgrade options for shocks and springs - check box to select spring and shocks so you do not have to buy entire new sets and set aside the expensive originals - example - Evolv instead of Float 2, or Zero Pro instead of Floats.
5) - Factory order - stepping out a bit here but how about building the sled base with the console and air intake in Black and allow the other hood panels to be an option - select the colours and decals you want, seat model you want with 2-3 heights and a few colours, pick your storage options and accessories and that is how it arrives. .
6) - Having the short bag on the LXR's is also a waste as everyone is tossing them to go bigger to carry the tools and belt in there - just like the carbides - money wasted delete it and give the options.
All in all I'm very impressed with the sled. It has style, function and great engineering wrapped into a competitive price point.
Cat happy
I'm very impressed with the styling they have brought to the sled. I really like the open cowling idea, the raised contoured air intakes and the simple gauge placement. I love the naked look of the console area as it contrasts from sleek to functional - brilliant! Little details like the design of the rear rails just screams custom. The ProCross logo on the rear of the tunnel is very cool. Style is what has been missing from sleds for quite a while and Cat has delivered big time.
Riding position is perfect for me at 5'11", 200 lbs. bars are right where they should be, knee angle perfect, easy to move around, (at least in the garage where I test ride it nightly), and the room to stretch out on the seat is perfect. Not cramped at all.
The packaging of so many powerplants into the same chassis giving up nothing from a handling and ride perspective is an engineering marvel in itself. I experimented with lifting the sled and the center of balance is way back. I'm not sure how they pulled it off but someone did their homework.
The chassis is well thought out form a functional perspective as well as repair. Use of structural forming in the tunnel to build strength without heavy material is engineering at it's finest.
Breaking the hood and decals into subs assemblies makes for a more cost effective repair if a panel is damaged. Same technology is applied to the chassis, easy to repair.
I have to say, that I think they nailed this sled for 2012 as a new release.
For 2013 there are a few things that I think could be addressed.
1) - windscreen choice program like Polaris - pick the size you want up front.
2) - Include basic belt and tool storage somewhere without having to buy an optional bag. My wife for example has a latex allergy and if the belts contain latex (rubber) she cannot have them stored with her spare clothes or lunch.
3) - carbide choice check box for a few options - to save riders tossing out carbides that come factory. If they could save $30 per sled by just having steel bars for transportation I'd take it.
4) - Factory order - upgrade options for shocks and springs - check box to select spring and shocks so you do not have to buy entire new sets and set aside the expensive originals - example - Evolv instead of Float 2, or Zero Pro instead of Floats.
5) - Factory order - stepping out a bit here but how about building the sled base with the console and air intake in Black and allow the other hood panels to be an option - select the colours and decals you want, seat model you want with 2-3 heights and a few colours, pick your storage options and accessories and that is how it arrives. .
6) - Having the short bag on the LXR's is also a waste as everyone is tossing them to go bigger to carry the tools and belt in there - just like the carbides - money wasted delete it and give the options.
All in all I'm very impressed with the sled. It has style, function and great engineering wrapped into a competitive price point.
Cat happy
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Scott S, that is very nicely said. I would agree on being able to option the sled when ordering new. We have accumulated quite the pile of parts that never did get any miles on them.
Agree Scott about being able to "order what you want". That would set Cat apart from the others in that area.
A friend of mine picked up his XF800 the other day and I was able to look it over closely. I was amazed at how EVERY aspect of this sled was designed to reduce weight. I just hope that durability is not compromised. Some (IMO) was bordering on cheap. I guess time will tell. Overall I was very impressed to see it in person up close. Pictures do not do this sled justice. Cat has a hit on their hands!
A friend of mine picked up his XF800 the other day and I was able to look it over closely. I was amazed at how EVERY aspect of this sled was designed to reduce weight. I just hope that durability is not compromised. Some (IMO) was bordering on cheap. I guess time will tell. Overall I was very impressed to see it in person up close. Pictures do not do this sled justice. Cat has a hit on their hands!
They Probly went away wit the infinite rider is to cut weight as I'm sure it added a good 10-15 extra pnds and when there trying to "mimic" a race sled there not gonna be throwing convienences like that in there when there try to cut weight especially when I'm sure not everyone used it. I kno I didn't.....
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