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How about ditching the tri-hub design, and just running wheels on the outside, this way we won't have to spend $299 or more for a 4th wheel kit. I've read plenty of horror stories about the rod just self destructing........from yep, you guessed it...........cheap bearings

How about going to clear oil tanks and not the aluminum ones that have only a fill level window.

I also agree about removing the hood, pain in the ding dong on my 2015 ZR 4000RR

cheap graphics that don't peel or crack so easily. From the factory I had a few bubbles in the graphics on my tunnel

Bring back the 500 CC 2 stroke
 

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The tank is not aluminum. It is magnesium and it works just fine being these motors use so little oil. New hood is very easy to take off on the 18's. Problem solved. I have not seen, nor heard of any issues with the new style tri-hub. Works just fine. Put the cat outside wheels on and your good to go. I paid $50.00 for mine. Graphics are better on the 18's than they were on the older versions. Never going to see another 500 cc two stroke.
 

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that's fine for the 18's and I'm glad they made it easier, that doesn't change the fact that it's a pain in the ding dong to take the hood off on my 15. Once again, great to hear the graphics are better in 18, doesn't change the fact that graphics on my 15 are moderate at best. The outer wheel kit is a little more then $50.00 as a matter of fact cheapest one I could find that was an Arctic Cat one was roughly $85.00.

Someone started the thread about improvements, those are things that I believe need to be improved.
 

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I doubt the 500 will come back but........With the last few winters being marginal at best, the 500 could become very popular again. How? Glad you asked. I've talked to quite a few people who are opting to sell there sleds and just go with rentals. That is where the 500 fits in. The 565 fan is probably a good machine, but people would go with the 500 being liquid cooled and more ponies. You just have to have a better rental machine than the pol or doo. And make it affordable. That being said, I still doubt it will happen. Cat and suzook went their separate ways and I dont see Cat dumping a ton of tech into a 500 2 stroke. I dont see the 3000 series ( 700cc 4 stroke ) being a rental because of the price but who knows? What I do know that needs to be addressed is the ice build up, even on the 18's . Maybe a Teflon coating on the inside of the tunnel??
 

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Tigg, anyone who's ridden one of the SP5's or ZR4000's during their time on trails, has to have realized that particular combo of sled weight, power (even at 85hp), and its performance on the trails is a hard to beat package for its price.

Let Textron shy away from such a user friendly package and keep Doo and Poo in the lead of rentals. They'll learn the hard way.

Meanwhile, it really wouldn't require a ton of investment to make a leaner mapped version of a 500cc two stroke valveless engine to create a good baseline sled that would please anyone short of those who think they need a steroid abusing machine to keep up with the next hairy peckered neighbor of theirs.

Years ago, I used to love having (at the time) one of the biggest hp sleds. It only took one weekend on a 48hp single carbed sled to realize that those with all that throttle response at their thumbs were not capable of any harsh throttle abuse unless they had serious braking distances to go along with better "forward vision" to be able to watch not only the terrain immediately ahead of them, but to watch for oncoming riders and dangers as well (without taking any lives into their hands)

JMHO.
 

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that's fine for the 18's and I'm glad they made it easier, that doesn't change the fact that it's a pain in the ding dong to take the hood off on my 15. Once again, great to hear the graphics are better in 18, doesn't change the fact that graphics on my 15 are moderate at best. The outer wheel kit is a little more then $50.00 as a matter of fact cheapest one I could find that was an Arctic Cat one was roughly $85.00.

Someone started the thread about improvements, those are things that I believe need to be improved.
My point is they have done the improvements you asked for. I have a 15 and an 18. Everything you brought up is way better than on the 15 now. I love my 15 6000 but my 18 is so much smoother on take off and quieter and easier to pull the panels. I believe they call it progress.
 

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Anyone feel like explaining what they are accomplishing by complaining about issues that where resolved two years or longer ago?

Lets try and keep this on track
 

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Good point, maybe some of the things on my 15 and 16 have already been taken care of. I really didnt have a too much to complain about on the '15. Would like a live 12 volt outlet on the dash, but I can accomplish that w/o too much hassle.
 

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Good point, maybe some of the things on my 15 and 16 have already been taken care of. I really didnt have a too much to complain about on the '15. Would like a live 12 volt outlet on the dash, but I can accomplish that w/o too much hassle.
What do you have for a 15? My ZR 6000 ES came standard with it. Have never seen any pro cross that did not have the power outlet on the left hand side of the gauge pod.
 

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my 15 4000RR has a outlet on the left as well, never used it, it might not be live unless something is plugged in and the sled is running?

I know with my truck the outlet is always live.
 

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What do you have for a 15? My ZR 6000 ES came standard with it. Have never seen any pro cross that did not have the power outlet on the left hand side of the gauge pod.
I have a 2015 el tigre' 8000 and it does have the 12 volt outlet. My "wish" is for it to be "live" all the time, even with the sled shut off. You could charge your battery with a male cigarette adapter, set your GPS while the sled isnt running. I'd also like the "pod" to turn on with the sled not running just like the ATV's..On sleds with a battery. Set the time, altimeter, trip etc, with a turn of a key to the On position. Toggle between tach and speedo... Just me thinking out loud.
 
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I think built in gps like Polaris has will be a standard item on sleds in the near future. More creature comforts will become available like remote start and maybe even a HUD on some touring sleds with more on board info available. Things to enhance and help the ride and not distract like Doos gimmick carbide adjustments and rear quick suspension adjustability at your side. Doo guys spend a lot of time fiddle farting for no reason with those things. Cat riders DONT want or need those kind of things. I hate BRP and always will. Won’t even sit on one. They’re like a damn household appliance to me.
 

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What do you have for a 15? My ZR 6000 ES came standard with it. Have never seen any pro cross that did not have the power outlet on the left hand side of the gauge pod.
I must have worded this the wrong way. It has the 12 volt outlet on the left hand side like all of them. I would like it "live" all the time, even if the sled isn't running. Charging the battery would not require us to remove the seat. Setting the GPS with the sled off would be nice. I can accomplish this myself though. The ATV's pod comes to life with a turn of the key, ( not running) I'd like to see that on the sleds too. Adjust the clock, altimeter, re-set trip, toggle between tach and speedo etc.. with the sled not idling .
 
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Summer project, I'm going to add another 12 volt outlet ( room permitting) right under the original. It will be fused right next to the battery and be able to be unplugged right behind it. Live 24/7 making battery charges as simple as the ATV's.
 
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