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Tonight I broke down....... I finally requested the MN Snowmobile Safety Training CD to be mailed to me...... My four year boycott of Snowmobiling in MN will soon be over.

Since the 2003 Snowmobile Season, the State of Minnesota DNR has required that anyone born after 1976 must go through Snowmobile Safety Training.

I understand the concept. I have pulled guys from out of the woods after their throttle stuck at the wrong time (They were driving something other then a Cat of course). It's not fun seeing that! I have even broken a bone or two myself in my younger days riding sled. But I have been riding sleds since the age of four years old. 18 seasons in total. Not many can say they have had the amount of time I have had with sleds at my age.

The BIGGEST problem I have is that I do feel that it is wrong. In 02' when I heard this requirement was coming, I called the MN DNR. I was told that this "Law" did not go through the state senate OR the state house. The MN state governor did NOT sign this law into being. The MN DNR basically decided to make it happen without any input from anyone from what I understand. If I was mis-informed I'd like to know. But to me; it's totally unjustified to make a law without going through the proper steps. bsflag

And it can be considered age discriminatory :imo: . I have seen more wreckless driving on sleds by operators who are far older then I. Take the guys who get liqored up and pin it while driving on the wrong side of the trail? And I have seen some dumb things by people my age or younger too. But I am getting punished for their stupidity! :trail: And I am sure I am not alone.....

Well anyway, I finally caved. I just felt it was time to move on. I think it is another excuse to gain revenue for the state DNR. Ant it's totally unfair. But I felt that with my last breath; I'd voice my opinion one last time. Thanks for reading while I was on "My Soapbox" one last time. I promise from here on out I'll be more chipper.

Thanks!
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7up,

I understand what you are saying and respect your opinions and view. I think they are just trying to make it so that eventually everyone who rides a snowmobile in MN has gone through safety training. And they have to start somewhere I guess. Probably should have made it mandatory for anyone young or old to have to go through it. But then people would be upset about that too. Overall snowmobile safety training is a good thing to go thru. I was heavily involved in it for over 10yrs and each and every year it was a good tuneup and I learned something each time. Unfortunately, some people are going to be reckless no matter what. Stay away from 3 things and most people are fine.
Booze/drugs, speed and night riding. Those 3 things either separate or together cause 95% of the problems. Good for you for going for it and getting the CD. You may be surprised and might learn something. Stay safe out there and THINK SNOW!!
 

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When we were kids we all took it as soon as we could, which I believe you had to be 12 yrs old to do. I still have my certificate from 1974 along with the patch I got and I don't even need it :lol:
 

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Either your or my soapbox, I'd politely ask you to shut up and take the course if required by the law. No need to vent on what's what or which's which. Any courses provided out there are to improve the rider's knowledge and operation of a recreational vehicle of their choice. Once you learn and complete the course...You will be the backbone of many others by teaching or giving them plentiful advices of Do's and Don't's of operating snowmobile as they will appreciate your time.

Unfortunately, There are alot of folks who have ruined the sport of snowmobiling and trails getting closed because they simply didn't take the course or even join the club to pay their dues and completely understand on how clubs strive to survive with the cooperation of landowners who are willingly to let us snowmobilers use their lands.

I'm with Jeff H as I have completed my snowmobile course way back in 1976 and also learned the ropes from my dad over the years of snowmobiling together. Yeah, I'll admit that I'll need to take a refresher course cuz Today's Technology is so widely advanced rather than it was 30 years ago.

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I think you guys that responded to him are missing the point...

The MN DNR is completely out of control, over funded, above the law type organization!

I was absolutely :super_happy: when I heard that the MN supreme court clipped there wings a couple of years back with the warrant less searches they LOVE to do. It only lasted a couple of months but it brought it to the publics eyes.

For as liberal a state as MN is (I prefer to call it "The Great Socialist Republic of MN"), they sure like to stomp all over personally liberties and freedom when it comes to the DNR.

Notice that every year when the legislature talks about "maybe" not funding the DNR as much, the DNR IMMEDIATELY threatens to start closing parks becuase of lack of funding. Gee, we can't keep the parks open but we can spend 1 million $ studying wolf $hit.....
 

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Happens everywhere, everyday when it comes to Politics since I work for the State myself. If you think that I'm missing the point here...He simply has to round up folks who live in the State of Minnesota aka Snowmobile Clubs who could, should and would debate with them accordingly and try to resolve issues in an appropriate and timely matter. For those Out of State snowmobilers like me and others fully understood your pain...Again, I'm sorry to say that we have no control whatever happens in Minnesota.

We, ArcticChatters are here to read, voice out our opinions rationally and discuss issues without having to blow this out of proportion when it comes to Politics. It has been an ongoing problem for so long that we all can remember when it comes to ATV's and Snowmobiles. Only way to get these issues resolved is to get everybody together on the same page and get to the bottom of this.

Good Luck,

AB :thumbsup:
 

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It is my personal belief that the MN DNR should NOT have a damn thing to do with motorized recreation. They should stick with their fish and game duties but they have literally robbed millions of dollars from the snowmobile community. Ever since we had millions of dollars disappear from the money they collected via stud fee's I am not one to support them in the least when it comes to snowmobiling.

I would like to see now what happens with MNUSA and all the money they got for the new "trail" stickers. They better do right with that money or it's going to cause a lot of problems here. I'd be willing to bet my ass that the DNR is extremely pissed off that money wasn't going into their account to begin with and I fully expected to run into some real nasty attitudes on the trails this year because of it. No snow, no riding so that is hurting their ability to write tickets to fill their bin.

I didn't miss the gist of his post. I am probably the biggest negative attitude on this site concerning the MN DNR. I don't know how the hell they can just make millions of dollars disappear and not be questioned about it but they pulled it off somehow.
 

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Being a Snowmobile Safety Instructor here in Pa I've have alot of adults take my classes with their kids or just as a refresher I see nothing wrong with it. Sleds change and laws change and its a good way to stay up on things.
 

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I agree to a certain point on two cases here! WE are on articchat to try to say yea or nay to ideas!Try to tell everyone whats up and going on,RIGHT??????! So let peeps speak out to a point! He wasn't swearing, I got one qeustion for the guy in MICH do you have to do it every year? Okay now with the Boss, I will stick up with you as far as schoolingpeeps that use landowners land to ride! I used to be a hunter and I am sure many sled riders are,why keep drilling at the same guys? I wont go on posted property, I wont litter I will even stuff a ciig and put it in my back pocket! I wont tear up anytrails I just have repsect,As I myself own land a small yard but I own it lol! We need to go after the disrespectfuls,and make it known you are ruining our sport,make money off fineing them! Dont stick up for the GOV! Please PM me anytime if you'd like. we can disuss This abit more between ourseleves! Hey guys Have some fun out there! I got a wild wind right now in NH oh but it is like 56 degrees! and I am sorry! TO you all, I should have not bought sleds this year! Thats my luck, Sorry Peeps! stay cool and Good!
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I agree with ArticBoy! To a POINT,we all have our oppions,and if you want to run a chat site you must allow them to be expressed to apoint! Oh you will slowly fadeaway! I might make that one into a song LOL!
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jeff H @ Jan 5 2007, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
It is my personal belief that the MN DNR should NOT have a damn thing to do with motorized recreation. They should stick with their fish and game duties but they have literally robbed millions of dollars from the snowmobile community. Ever since we had millions of dollars disappear from the money they collected via stud fee's I am not one to support them in the least when it comes to snowmobiling.

I would like to see now what happens with MNUSA and all the money they got for the new "trail" stickers. They better do right with that money or it's going to cause a lot of problems here. I'd be willing to bet my ass that the DNR is extremely pissed off that money wasn't going into their account to begin with and I fully expected to run into some real nasty attitudes on the trails this year because of it. No snow, no riding so that is hurting their ability to write tickets to fill their bin.

I didn't miss the gist of his post. I am probably the biggest negative attitude on this site concerning the MN DNR. I don't know how the hell they can just make millions of dollars disappear and not be questioned about it but they pulled it off somehow.[/b]
You're not the only one Jeff. Their policies are half the reason my F8 is getting registered in Wisconsin this year. Haven't rode a mile in MN since Feb of '03 (obviously a lack of snow in my area has a lot to do with that). But the MN DNR can pound sand as far as I'm concerned.
 

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For what it's worth, the Michigan DNR has really done a crappy job in regards to snowmobiling also. They seem to only want to take from us and not really give back to us.... So I guess I am saying that you guys in MN shouldn't feel so bad.
 

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Point and Fact is here! Clubs need to band togethger and put up a fight! Thats why it is sometimes a good thing to let peeps vent! Only way to get word out,and maybe band toghether, and then speak out as one big voice!
 

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Hate to break the bad news but, the WI is just as bad or worst in my books, they both have way to much power and not enough brains. I have no problem taking the class, that is a good idea, it is how they just make laws! Just like our new speed law at night because they don't want to piss off the bars by going after the drunks! Ok, I'm done! I think we are mostly on the same page here we just need the DNR or DOT to get on the same page! Good Luck
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tmoney67 @ Jan 4 2007, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
7up,

I understand what you are saying and respect your opinions and view. I think they are just trying to make it so that eventually everyone who rides a snowmobile in MN has gone through safety training. And they have to start somewhere I guess. Probably should have made it mandatory for anyone young or old to have to go through it. But then people would be upset about that too. Overall snowmobile safety training is a good thing to go thru. I was heavily involved in it for over 10yrs and each and every year it was a good tuneup and I learned something each time. Unfortunately, some people are going to be reckless no matter what. Stay away from 3 things and most people are fine.
Booze/drugs, speed and night riding. Those 3 things either separate or together cause 95% of the problems. Good for you for going for it and getting the CD. You may be surprised and might learn something. Stay safe out there and THINK SNOW!![/b]

Wow! I posted this a few days ago cause I was upset..... And man, have these replies come in!

I totally agree with the concept of Snowmobile Safety Training and yes the three don't play a big role in everything else! And I agree that perhaps I may learn something too. I was just upset with the fact that this law came into being without having go through the proper chennels to become a law.
 

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I am also a safety instructor, and have been for 11 years now, I feel that everyone who owns and rides a sled should be required to take the safety course. We also have parents taking the course with the kids every year to either refresh it or to get there Cert. , we are also Adult instructors as well as youth so it works both ways.. I had my cert. back in 1968 when I was 6 years old, my Dad was an instructor then and gave it to all my friends and me then... I think the age limit of 12 was started just after that.. In my opinion the most accidents happen to people who have not had safety class as far as the accident reports info shows.. As for the trail permit being inforced, we have already recieved money from that fund to help with trail grooming and maintinance... That money goes to the Countys in the state and gets divided up between the clubs in that county by them, the DNR has nothing to do with that money at all, they get a share of the registration fees not the permits
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clutch @ Jan 5 2007, 07:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I think you guys that responded to him are missing the point...

The MN DNR is completely out of control, over funded, above the law type organization!

I was absolutely :super_happy: when I heard that the MN supreme court clipped there wings a couple of years back with the warrant less searches they LOVE to do. It only lasted a couple of months but it brought it to the publics eyes.

For as liberal a state as MN is (I prefer to call it "The Great Socialist Republic of MN"), they sure like to stomp all over personally liberties and freedom when it comes to the DNR.

Notice that every year when the legislature talks about "maybe" not funding the DNR as much, the DNR IMMEDIATELY threatens to start closing parks becuase of lack of funding. Gee, we can't keep the parks open but we can spend 1 million $ studying wolf $hit.....[/b]

Clutch hears what I am saying. :thumbsup:

I agree with snowmobile safety. Just not the imposed law that was never voted on or signed into legislation (Again, if I am wrong, I'd like to know).
 

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