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The guy who had the sled before me ran Arctic cat APV oil ... But it is fairly $$$$

I was thinking that I want to run Ams oil , but I know there are different makes of this oil .. Domintator / predetior Ect .. What would be the best 2 run in my 2002 Zr 600 CCE with power valves
 

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Dominator,,,,, hands down, been same in my sled since the previous owner bought it new,, for 440 that gets the snot pounded out of it, I couldn't ask for a better oil,, if I were somewhere and ran out, klotz techniplate snowmobile injector is my next choice,, great oil also, love the smell of it burning,, but overall prefer Dominators film strength and rust protection
 

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I run klotz techniplate snowmobile oil. Amsoil dominator would be my second choice. The klotz has a sweet laundry detergent like smell when used. Amsoil has a smell that will take your breath away... literally. Thats pretty much the only reason I don't run it. I also did not a little more build up on the power valves with the amsoil but its not enough to make me not run it. The valves always functioned they just got sticky after about 1500 mi, but they should be taken apart and inspected that often I think anyways...
Thats my opinion, Klotz will cost you a little more I think, there is a guy on here that sells it, for around 25$ a gal I think, not 100% sure on that price but its around there. I don't think you would be disappointed with either of these oils.

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ISO-L-EGC which is similar to the JASO FC rating.

The ISO-L-EGD+ was created to establish a higher standard of detergency and ability to withstand higher levels of heat. The new test runs for 3 hours vs 1 hour for the previous test.
If a lubricant is certified ISO-L-EGD+ it has passed the most stringent tests set by American, Japanese and European engine manufacturers. Polaris recommends TC-W3 lubricants, Yamaha JASO FC and Ski-Doo/Sea-Doo requires ISO-L-EDG+ lubricants.
None of the three North American snowmobile manufacturers specify use of TC-W3 oil in their owner’s manuals. Bombardier pointedly tells its customers not to use it, recommending API-TC rated oil instead.

Until recently, the top JASO oil rating was FC, and you will continue to see this listed in many places. But the tougher FD rating is now available, and some companies upgraded their products. The JASO-FC standard is also important because it includes a test to specifically measure exhaust smoke. So JASO-FC and the subsequent FD test is the key for visible exhaust emissions.

ISO-L-EGD is the top European two-stroke standard, with EGC and EGB as lower performance levels. A plus sign after the letters (EGD+) means that the rating is significantly exceeded.

Use the oil ratings as a guide, compare costs and availability, and try to stay with one product if possible. Availability becomes a factor for many of us; if you can’t carry enough with you, run something that you can find readily where you ride to fill the gaps.

Plain old TCW-3 won’t cut it in many of the higher-tech engines. Look for JASO-FC (and now FD) and ISO EGD ratings as indicators of a minimum performance standard for the newest, trickest engines. Mod packages may require extra quality and or quantity to provide adequate lubrication; consult with the engine builder or package supplier on what their experience has been.

ISO EGD is the “European” specification that slightly exceeds the “Japanese” JASO-FC. There is a new JASO-FD spec, as the ISO and JASO testing sequences have come closer together with the latest ‘FD’ and ‘EGD’ designations. Previously, the only difference was a 1 hour and 3 hour detergency - lubricity - ring groove - sticking test with JASO-FC and ISO-EGD respectively. Now, they are the same set of tests.




Maxima TundraR, a synthetic blend that is pretty clean burning, ISO EGD

Amsoil Interceptor & Dominator Both are rated JASO FC, API TC

Klotz Snowmobile Techniplate- TCW-3

Spectro that is also ISO EGD rated

Blue Marble claims to be ISO EGD rated

ARCTIC BLUE™ Synthetic Blend is qualified internationally: Exceeds API TC or TSC-3 in North America. Exceeds Japanese Automobile Standard Organization new JASO specification "FC". Meets or exceeds performance requirements of International Standards Organization new ISO Global Specifications "GC" (ISO-L-EGC) and "GD"
(ISO-L-EGD).

Torco Exceeds JASO-FC / ISO-L-EGD / API-TC

Shell Advance Snow Ultra High Performance Synthetic Snowmobile Oil ISO-EGD and the JASO FC standard.

Maxima Lubricants Super-M Injector Oil Exceeds BIA/TC-W, JASO-FC, ISO-E-GD & API-TC specifications

Legend ZX-2R exceeds NMMA (formerly BIA) TCW3, ISO-L-EGB and JASO FB specifications. ZX-2R is a mineral based, synthetically infused blend of superior chemical components designed to outperform the most expensive synthetics.

Legend ZX-2SR exceeds API TC, ISO-L-EGD and JASO FC+ specifications. ZX-2SR is a blend of the finest mineral base stocks “chemically infused” with nano-molecular additive technology.
Royal Purple-TCW-III

Citgo SuperGard Sea and Snow. Citgo is Venezuela’s oil company run by Hugo Chavez. The synthetic blend formula meets or exceeds the rigorous requirements of the API TC, JASO FC and ISO EGD classifications for 2-cycle air-cooled engine oils and also exceeds the performance requirements for JASO FA, JASO FB, ISO-L-EGB, and ISO-L-EGC. The JASO FC Certification Number is 001 CGO 535. SUPERGARD Sea and Snow is formulated primarily for use in snowmobiles and personal watercraft.

Redline SyntheticTwo-Stroke Snowmobile - is not rated. Test results state that it can be used where ISO-L-EGD, JASO FD, or API TC lubricants are recommended, but is not designed for outboard use..

Arctic Cat 50:1 Injection Oil - Arctic Cat does not rate their oil. Arctic Cat runs a number of motors at different rpm's on the emission dyno's and sleds in the field for hundreds of hours. So Arctic Cat does their own testing with Suzuki.

Phillips 66® Injex - TC-W3® certified by the National Marine Manufacturers Association (NMMA), and also meets API TC and JASO FB

Yamalube Land (Red box with “2-S” on it) - STANDARDS: API TC – TSC 3 JASO FC, ISO-L-EGD Approval No: M081 YMC 525

Castrol SNOW 2T SNOWMOBILE OIL - API TC or NMMA TC-W3®
 

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Regular old Arctic Cat 50:1 oil
 

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you can basicly run any 2 cycle outboard oil thats what i run, its the same stuff you get from arctic cat or ams oil or polaris, just doesnt have a name brand on in it,
 

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i dont know about that outboards max rpm is 6000 thats pushin it sleds can go as far as 9000 i would rather have an oil rated for higher rpm
 

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Some outboard oils don't have quite the low pour point that oils marketed for snowmobiles do.
I tell my customers to use the snowmobile oil in their boats but don't use the boat oil in their sleds.

Personal opinion.

Rick
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Klotzlubemn @ Dec 19 2009, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Some outboard oils don't have quite the low pour point that oils marketed for snowmobiles do.
I tell my customers to use the snowmobile oil in their boats but don't use the boat oil in their sleds.

Personal opinion.

Rick[/b]
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Amsoil Interceptor is what I picked up . I guess its got a better rating for EFI sleds, like mine.. And I also got a heck of a deal. Im an auto mechanic so I stoped in at my local napa -- Shop discount .. $ 20.00 per gal
 

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firecat - APV
wildcat - arctic blue
pantera - citco sea & snow
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MOTOMAN69X @ Dec 19 2009, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
The guy who had the sled before me ran Arctic cat APV oil ... But it is fairly $$$$

I was thinking that I want to run Ams oil , but I know there are different makes of this oil .. Domintator / predetior Ect .. What would be the best 2 run in my 2002 Zr 600 CCE with power valves[/b]
LEGEND PERFORMANCE ZR2R or ZX2SR. It is a true hybrid oil. Best on the market, period!!!

http://www.legendperformance.com/
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C-note @ Dec 19 2009, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Dominator,,,,, hands down, been same in my sled since the previous owner bought it new,, for 440 that gets the snot pounded out of it, I couldn't ask for a better oil,, if I were somewhere and ran out, klotz techniplate snowmobile injector is my next choice,, great oil also, love the smell of it burning,, but overall prefer Dominators film strength and rust protection[/b]
Please state what AmsOil uses for rust inhibitors.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (eddie738 @ Dec 20 2009, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C-note @ Dec 19 2009, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dominator,,,,, hands down, been same in my sled since the previous owner bought it new,, for 440 that gets the snot pounded out of it, I couldn't ask for a better oil,, if I were somewhere and ran out, klotz techniplate snowmobile injector is my next choice,, great oil also, love the smell of it burning,, but overall prefer Dominators film strength and rust protection
Please state what AmsOil uses for rust inhibitors.[/quote]

What, my testimony isn't good enough for you? Real world findings vs some ****-o-mamey (SP?) bullshit belief that Dominator doesn't have rust inhibitors?
Were YOU There when it was pulled apart near the 5K mark in mileage?,, No, you weren't now were you?

Typical oil salesman trying to push his brand,, btw,, I know of a fellow that swears by the ZX2R oils and "how it reduce's wear vs all other oils",, yet when looking at just the wrist pins alone,, there are seriously deep grooves around each of said pins from the upper thrust washers on his Cats indicating otherwise,, never ever seen anything like that with any of the oils i've ever used,, period.

I've got the pics, like said I in PM, it's the one I used last season in a piston thread here for experimenting with plus it's been run with human piss being used for cooant that was getting ingested internally as well,, i'd say the acids from that alone would have induced rust by itself,, but nope!,, so send me the e-mail and i'll fwd them, even shot the original pin retaining clips for ya' since they're steel, and not aluminum,, proof's in the pudding (so to speak)

I'll stand by the bold underlined final line of my previous post you quoted
 

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Something to note when switching oils- in my old 99 non-APV 500 I switched from regular Cat oil to Arctic Blue. The viscosity of the Arctic Blue stuff was much thinner and was running through the engine like mad. I had to adjust the oil pump down to compensate for that. Now reverse the situation and that could be a costly mistake I would think anyone could make. :imo:
 

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I have used the following:

1998 Powder Special 600 EFI (non-APV) - Citgo Sea and Snow ($16.99 per gallon at Farm and Fleet)

1998 ZR 600 EFI (non-APV) - Citgo Sea and Snow ($16.99 per gallon at Farm and Fleet)

2002 Mountain Cat 800 carb (with-APV) - Mystik JT-4 Synthetic 2-Cycle Snowmobile engine oil ($19.99 per gallon at Farm and Fleet)

2003 Mountain Cat 800 EFI (with-APV) - Mystik JT-4 Synthetic 2-Cycle Snowmobile engine oil ($19.99 per gallon at Farm and Fleet)

This year I will use up the last gallon of sea and snow and then I will use the Mystic synthetic for all of the above sleds. I have been using the Mystic for 2 years now. Below are pics and a pdf on the Mystic.
 

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