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A phazer has two skis and is a legitimate snowmobile. This is a dirtbike with a track kit, it is not a snowmobile, it should not be thought of as a snowmobile. And with being able to lean one over in a corner, it will damage a trail, and tear it up.
Yes the Phazer has two 5 inch skis, and the SV has one 12 inch ski. So that really makes to difference.

BTW if you dont lean while driving a Phazer you will be ejected quickly.

Dont be so close minded to new products and over protective of the trails. I can see the SV, which will be classified has a snowmobile, being attractive to new riders and will bring new members to trail clubs. We need more contributing members.
 

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Just having a manual trans makes it more likely to tear the trails up.
I thought the trail version was going to have a centrifugal clutch. (Recluse?)
To be considered a snowmobile, it needs a brake lever on the left handlebar, thus eliminating the possibility of a clutch lever.
 

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would love to see the law that states the brake must be on the left bar, and what state is applies to...

BTW I know a guy that races, and rides with both throttle and brake on the same side because of injury.. would his sled be illegal?
 

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would love to see the law that states the brake must be on the left bar, and what state is applies to...

BTW I know a guy that races, and rides with both throttle and brake on the same side because of injury.. would his sled be illegal?
Check this out, I believe the requirements to be deemed a 'snowmobile' are applicable in all of North America.

https://www.snowtechmagazine.com/2017-arctic-cat-svx-450/
 

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Yes the Phazer has two 5 inch skis, and the SV has one 12 inch ski. So that really makes to difference.

BTW if you dont lean while driving a Phazer you will be ejected quickly.

Dont be so close minded to new products and over protective of the trails. I can see the SV, which will be classified has a snowmobile, being attractive to new riders and will bring new members to trail clubs. We need more contributing members.
It's not being close minded, a snow bike is just that, a snow bike, it is not a snowmobile. I'm all for new markets, and new riders, and new membership for the trails and the clubs.

I can guarantee you that you are not leaning a phazer over as hard as a snowbike. Ask yourself this, if you spent all night grooming, and making the trails perfect, only to have snowbikes come through and destroy the trail, would you be happy as a club?

And yes I pose the same question to the guys that come through a corner and sweep all of the snow off.
 

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It's not being close minded, a snow bike is just that, a snow bike, it is not a snowmobile. I'm all for new markets, and new riders, and new membership for the trails and the clubs.

I can guarantee you that you are not leaning a phazer over as hard as a snowbike. Ask yourself this, if you spent all night grooming, and making the trails perfect, only to have snowbikes come through and destroy the trail, would you be happy as a club?

And yes I pose the same question to the guys that come through a corner and sweep all of the snow off.
Its funny you say that because I groom 5 kms of private trails and unlike Club Trails, anybody can use them : atv's , side by side, walkers, anybody. I am sure you know that anything with wheels can be hard on trails.

I understand that the SVX will need to be leaned over more than snowmobiles, but has anybody seen one on the trails? or seen the damage you speculate they will cause?
 

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We got over 40" of snow from "stella" afterwords I went out grooming, and put in 14 hour in 2 nights, after work. Thursday nigh I got 3 hours of sleep, worked Friday, rode Friday night, and I've ridden an SVX.

I have no concerns over bikes on the trails. They will do far less damage than the average trail jockey on a sled. Leaning in the corners is nothing, the machine only has 60 hp, and a single ski. What destroys them is guys dirt tracking, and blowing all the snow off into the woods. A 370 can lock the brake, slide into a corner, and spin all the way through it, you aren't doing that on a snowbike.
 

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A phazer has two skis and is a legitimate snowmobile. This is a dirtbike with a track kit, it is not a snowmobile, it should not be thought of as a snowmobile. And with being able to lean one over in a corner, it will damage a trail, and tear it up.


Leaning in corners causes trail damage? Are you high? What about these chipped turbos blowing every last ounce of snow trying to set new acceleration records out of every corner? Or that guy on a non studded sled drifting around every corner? And your worried about a handful of bikes using the trail and how much them leaning in corners is gonna damage the trail...come on guy. Coming from someone who as had a good 3 days of seat time on a bike, for starters you don't lean as near as much as you would think on the trails. Second, the trails is the last place you would want to be using a bike. They are made for off trail and the backcountry, their trail manors are poor while they outshine snowmobiles in the trees. Not sure why you guys are arguing if they are gonna be trail legal or not cause that is most likely the last place you are gonna fine them. If you were thinking of buying one specifically for trail riding you best think again.


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Leaning in corners causes trail damage? Are you high? What about these chipped turbos blowing every last ounce of snow trying to set new acceleration records out of every corner? Or that guy on a non studded sled drifting around every corner? And your worried about a handful of bikes using the trail and how much them leaning in corners is gonna damage the trail...come on guy. Coming from someone who as had a good 3 days of seat time on a bike, for starters you don't lean as near as much as you would think on the trails. Second, the trails is the last place you would want to be using a bike. They are made for off trail and the backcountry, their trail manors are poor while they outshine snowmobiles in the trees. Not sure why you guys are arguing if they are gonna be trail legal or not cause that is most likely the last place you are gonna fine them. If you were thinking of buying one specifically for trail riding you best think again.


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Not high at all. Perhaps the lean angle isn't that drastic, and yes I know what they were designed and developed for. I'll agree that they are better in the trees then a sled, and yes they are designed for back country and boon docking.

Also, I'm sure there will be a handful of guys that might want to trail ride them, also in places like the U.P. of Michigan guys use the trails to get to where they need to go, so that they can go boon docking.

I have no plans of buying one, nor am I interested in ever owning one.
 

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It looks like a hoot. Ok, I don't own a snow sled, but every winter, when the snow is too deep to ride my ATV's , they look better and better. I just don't want something that sits under a cover for 8 months. Converting to a dirt bike, interesting.:devil
 

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