Well, after a year and a half of wasted riding one of my buddies finally figured out what has been making his 05 m7 ill. About Jan of 06 his sled started to miss, spit and sputter under any type of load. So every time he pinned the throttle his sled would cut out before revving like it should. After exhausting his knowledge he finally broke down and let our local dealer sort it out. After three trips to the dealership and no results their head mechanic completely drained the oil(blue marble) and replaced it with APV oil. Five Hundered miles later the sled is running like a champ and nobody we ride with will ever run blue marble again.
BLUE MARBLE OIL
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I'm sure that original sled had other things done to it than just changing the oil. Maybe while he was in there taking the BM out he made a little adjustment on the oil pump, or something like that, that seemed inconsequential. It just does not seem reasonable that making a change in oil formulation would make that kind of difference in engine operation. When he dropped the hood down after filling the oil tank, that may have dislodged something in the fuel system that was causing the trouble in the first place. I dunno, but that seems just a likely as the magic APV oil.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C-note @ Mar 20 2007, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Yes, that's pretty much what I've been saying... No point in spending more and not getting more.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mcflying @ Mar 20 2007, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
As i've see differences in protection factors and their levels of resistance to scuffage as well as wear, along with cleanest burning and least amt of valve carbon deposits, i've made the switches,, when I seen those polaris parts with ABSOLUTELY NO OIL TRACES ON OR UNDER (THE DOMES BOTTOMS), I made my choice then and there to ask the rep if those particular parts had been washed/rinsed off at all, to which he said ''NO'',, the bluing on the whole flat ''blade'' portion of the valve was enough to tell me that those had gotten extremely hot to do so, which is just one more thing good oils do, they help keep parts cool along with the fuel ratios necessary to accomplish this feat, now does that sound ''jumpy'' as far as forming opinions?? after all, 24+ yrs as a tech in the powersports industry has allowed me to see a whole array of oils and their pros and cons
EDIT: it may very well work in a sled that's not a high revving application and ridden easier, but let's see it last in a sled/bike that's ''put to the test'' (rpm/load wise AKA: long endurance racers), I feel safe to say, the BM machine would have substantially more wear than the other oils out there in MOST cases
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I ride my sleds extremely hard....if you think I have ever babied my motors you just need to come ride with me 1 weekend and then see what your opinion is.
So let me know when you want to come see my M7 mod on BM oil getting a beating?
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until I see an engine with a decent ''film'' of lube upon teardown and display and not looking/feeling completely dry like it'd been washed off and showing (IMO) way too much blueing, i'll then form another opinion probably, who knows?, maybe you have a slightly richer oil setting?, this guys was never touched as it had the original loctite polaris used on his cables jam nuts, just going by what I personally saw/felt/observed,, sorry if I in any way offended you, I was not trying to offend anyone
I'm surely not brand loyal, hell I ran polaris VESII in my '03 f5's after I seen what it put up with in a customers '03 pro-x 600 where I worked at in the past,, call that brand loyalty??
As i've see differences in protection factors and their levels of resistance to scuffage as well as wear, along with cleanest burning and least amt of valve carbon deposits, i've made the switches,, when I seen those polaris parts with ABSOLUTELY NO OIL TRACES ON OR UNDER (THE DOMES BOTTOMS), I made my choice then and there to ask the rep if those particular parts had been washed/rinsed off at all, to which he said ''NO'',, the bluing on the whole flat ''blade'' portion of the valve was enough to tell me that those had gotten extremely hot to do so, which is just one more thing good oils do, they help keep parts cool along with the fuel ratios necessary to accomplish this feat, now does that sound ''jumpy'' as far as forming opinions?? after all, 24+ yrs as a tech in the powersports industry has allowed me to see a whole array of oils and their pros and cons
EDIT: it may very well work in a sled that's not a high revving application and ridden easier, but let's see it last in a sled/bike that's ''put to the test'' (rpm/load wise AKA: long endurance racers), I feel safe to say, the BM machine would have substantially more wear than the other oils out there in MOST cases
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I ride my sleds extremely hard....if you think I have ever babied my motors you just need to come ride with me 1 weekend and then see what your opinion is.
So let me know when you want to come see my M7 mod on BM oil getting a beating?
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until I see an engine with a decent ''film'' of lube upon teardown and display and not looking/feeling completely dry like it'd been washed off and showing (IMO) way too much blueing, i'll then form another opinion probably, who knows?, maybe you have a slightly richer oil setting?, this guys was never touched as it had the original loctite polaris used on his cables jam nuts, just going by what I personally saw/felt/observed,, sorry if I in any way offended you, I was not trying to offend anyone
Amen C-note, I'm with you 100%.
Blue Marbel is the ONLY oil I have seen and heard of mant times causing burndowns due to lack of lubrication. NOT Klotz, NOT Amsoil, NOT arctic cat oil, NOT any of the others listed only BM repeatedly causing problems.
From what I have seen it has little to do with how you ride. I have seen both trail and race sleds with the same BM problem. It seems to depend on how the engine is running. If you're running pig rich the engine is running cool and you may not have a problem. If you run your jetting spot on the engine runs hotter and thats where the oil seems to burn up and quit protecting.
I'll save my engine and run a premium synthetic thanks.
Blue Marbel is the ONLY oil I have seen and heard of mant times causing burndowns due to lack of lubrication. NOT Klotz, NOT Amsoil, NOT arctic cat oil, NOT any of the others listed only BM repeatedly causing problems.
From what I have seen it has little to do with how you ride. I have seen both trail and race sleds with the same BM problem. It seems to depend on how the engine is running. If you're running pig rich the engine is running cool and you may not have a problem. If you run your jetting spot on the engine runs hotter and thats where the oil seems to burn up and quit protecting.
I'll save my engine and run a premium synthetic thanks.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't their a special process in which you let the oil seat in your cylinder walls overnight one cylinder at a time so that the oil forms a permanent layer of protection before you can actually use the Blue Marble oil in your sled?
I thought this would be a good fact for people to know so they can better understand the way Blue Marble works.
I believe I'm right............................................right? lol
yea i was right http://www.bluemarbleoil.com/Products/2Cycle.htm
this oil scares me, I'd rather just have my AMS Oil, pour it in, go ride and know that I didnt screw anything up
I thought this would be a good fact for people to know so they can better understand the way Blue Marble works.
I believe I'm right............................................right? lol
yea i was right http://www.bluemarbleoil.com/Products/2Cycle.htm
this oil scares me, I'd rather just have my AMS Oil, pour it in, go ride and know that I didnt screw anything up
hey Guys, I had no intention of starting a "brand war" topic, just thought this was an odd situation and wondered if anyone else has had a similar issue. I personally have never ran BM oil in any sled of my own, however this is not my first friend who has had a problem with BM. If I remember correctly Dyno Tech Jim did a test on an old XLT and lost horsepower on BM versus polaris oil. Coinsidence? I don't know but I also seem to remember an AMsnow(?) arcticle saying that they had two engine failures in one winter and both sleds were running BM at the time. In my personal experience with power valve sleds Amsoil Interceptor has worked for me but I really don't have a preference.
It's really not much of a 'war'... No one here appears to be angry or anything. Everyone's just posting their 2¢. Not very war-like actually. And nothing wrong with discussing it, that's what forums are all about.
Ya never know, these posts might actually be valuable information to a fellow sledder.
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Ya never know, these posts might actually be valuable information to a fellow sledder.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ODS Dan @ Mar 21 2007, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
When I switched to Shell from Klotz was when I last priced it... It was a couple bucks more expensive than the Klotz... Around $60 for a gallon jug after taxes.
Must've come down since. Or maybe it's still expensive up here? Klotz still is, seems you can get the stuff close to a 1/3 of the cost in the US.
Is it really?
When I switched to Shell from Klotz was when I last priced it... It was a couple bucks more expensive than the Klotz... Around $60 for a gallon jug after taxes.
Must've come down since. Or maybe it's still expensive up here? Klotz still is, seems you can get the stuff close to a 1/3 of the cost in the US.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ODS Dan @ Mar 21 2007, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
If Klotz was that price up here, I'd still be running it!
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Here's another little known tidbit regarding 2 cycle oil. If you have a diesel truck, dump a quart of 2 cycle oil in with your next fillup. The engine knock becomes quieter, and the fuel mileage WILL increase at least 10+% (summer blend)
http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/alternat...roke-oil-2.html
http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/alternat...roke-oil-2.html
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MELROSEMAFIA @ Mar 21 2007, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
i THOUGHT THAT WAS MY SECRET!.... Not worthy: .
BTW..dont pull this w/ syn. 2 cycle oil.
i THOUGHT THAT WAS MY SECRET!.... Not worthy: .
BTW..dont pull this w/ syn. 2 cycle oil.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bodd @ Mar 21 2007, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
i THOUGHT THAT WAS MY SECRET!.... Not worthy: .
BTW..dont pull this w/ syn. 2 cycle oil.
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Cheapo... Non Syn... tc-w3... It really helps lube the motor even better now since the low sulfur/ash diesel laws.
i THOUGHT THAT WAS MY SECRET!.... Not worthy: .
BTW..dont pull this w/ syn. 2 cycle oil.
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Cheapo... Non Syn... tc-w3... It really helps lube the motor even better now since the low sulfur/ash diesel laws.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jeff H @ Mar 21 2007, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Something about 1 of the additives in the SYN will eventually clog the injectors. Also it's not recomended to use at FULL strength with winter blended fuel if at all.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (A G @ Mar 21 2007, 06:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
When I switched to Shell from Klotz was when I last priced it... It was a couple bucks more expensive than the Klotz... Around $60 for a gallon jug after taxes.
Must've come down since. Or maybe it's still expensive up here? Klotz still is, seems you can get the stuff close to a 1/3 of the cost in the US.
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AG,
Here's the link for BM in Canada.
You'll find a dealer list there.
I bought three cases direct from Bob in St. Catherines before he established any dealers. Paid CA$45.00 per gallon then. Check the site for today's price. Of course dealers may sell cheaper??? Certainly no where near the US price but nothing ever is, is it?
http://www.bluemarblecanada.com/
Is it really?
When I switched to Shell from Klotz was when I last priced it... It was a couple bucks more expensive than the Klotz... Around $60 for a gallon jug after taxes.
Must've come down since. Or maybe it's still expensive up here? Klotz still is, seems you can get the stuff close to a 1/3 of the cost in the US.
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AG,
Here's the link for BM in Canada.
You'll find a dealer list there.
I bought three cases direct from Bob in St. Catherines before he established any dealers. Paid CA$45.00 per gallon then. Check the site for today's price. Of course dealers may sell cheaper??? Certainly no where near the US price but nothing ever is, is it?
http://www.bluemarblecanada.com/
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MUSKOKA800 @ Mar 22 2007, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
When I switched to Shell from Klotz was when I last priced it... It was a couple bucks more expensive than the Klotz... Around $60 for a gallon jug after taxes.
Must've come down since. Or maybe it's still expensive up here? Klotz still is, seems you can get the stuff close to a 1/3 of the cost in the US.
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AG,
Here's the link for BM in Canada.
You'll find a dealer list there.
I bought three cases direct from Bob in St. Catherines before he established any dealers. Paid CA$45.00 per gallon then. Check the site for today's price. Of course dealers may sell cheaper??? Certainly no where near the US price but nothing ever is, is it?
http://www.bluemarblecanada.com/
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I'll have a look at your link and check out the dealer list, thanks for the info.
But I seriously doubt I'm going to switch to something more expensive even if it had the reputation as 'the Ultimate Oil'.
The most I've ever paid for the oil I'm using now is $28.?? (on sale @ CT)... Since I've logged nearly 9000 miles on it without any oil problems. I have no reason to switch and pay more.
You're right though... Most products are always more expensive up here, even after the exchange rate is factored in.
:chug:
Is it really?
When I switched to Shell from Klotz was when I last priced it... It was a couple bucks more expensive than the Klotz... Around $60 for a gallon jug after taxes.
Must've come down since. Or maybe it's still expensive up here? Klotz still is, seems you can get the stuff close to a 1/3 of the cost in the US.
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AG,
Here's the link for BM in Canada.
You'll find a dealer list there.
I bought three cases direct from Bob in St. Catherines before he established any dealers. Paid CA$45.00 per gallon then. Check the site for today's price. Of course dealers may sell cheaper??? Certainly no where near the US price but nothing ever is, is it?
http://www.bluemarblecanada.com/
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I'll have a look at your link and check out the dealer list, thanks for the info.
But I seriously doubt I'm going to switch to something more expensive even if it had the reputation as 'the Ultimate Oil'.
The most I've ever paid for the oil I'm using now is $28.?? (on sale @ CT)... Since I've logged nearly 9000 miles on it without any oil problems. I have no reason to switch and pay more.
You're right though... Most products are always more expensive up here, even after the exchange rate is factored in.
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