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650 and 700 twin crank similarities?

Are there any differences between a '89 650 crank and a '95 700 crank. my 700 decided to eat the lower rod bearing the last day of riding and i have a good 650 crank i could throw in it if it would work
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Both have been very reliable engines (as long as folks keep their hands out of them).. The DIFFERENCE that immediately comes to mind is that in 1991 (700's first year), Cat enlarged the PTO bearings width (and possible I.D. and O.D. ??) to give it what they felt was needed with larger bore pistons (more overall bearing support surface)

It's been quite a few years, so I cannot remember all of the details.. However, I'm pretty certain that they will not swap...

Thing to do is.. Get a good dial or digital caliper and do a side by side comparison... Start by comparing all of the main bearing LOCATOR PIN ORIENTATION positions (and diameters) and overall main bearing dimensions for ALL of the mains... It could wind up being possible... But I wouldn't hold your breath...

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Taper is different on the flywheel side. Anything carved after 1993 will fit your '95. Apparently the efi wildcats had the different taper too. I have a '94 crank in my '00 right now, no issues. Either the Pistons or piston end on the con rods were different too, but it's the different between using the washers on either side of the wrist pin bearing or not using them, no big deal.
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Taper is different on the flywheel side.


Anything carved after 1993 will fit your '95. Apparently the efi wildcats had the different taper too. I have a '94 crank in my '00 right now, no issues. Either the Pistons or piston end on the con rods were different too, but it's the different between using the washers on either side of the wrist pin bearing or not using them, no big deal.
Good point! That one completely slipped my mind... I'm going to look into the ZR700 vs the EFI Wilcat of 1995 and see if any difference on mag ends..

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Same mag ends... Funny though that the Firecats used different mag tapers on carbed vs EFI's....

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Ya, I wasn't 100% sure on the efi vs carb. But the '93's and earlier definitely had the different taper.
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I'll have to go take some measurements tonight or tomorrow, Thanks for all the replies everyone!
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Part Number: 3004-391
Crankshaft Assembly (inc. 7-22 and 24-27) -
Check Pricing


1996 WILDCAT - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1996 WILDCAT MOUNTAIN CAT - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1996 WILDCAT TOURING - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1995 WILDCAT - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1995 WILDCAT MC DEEP LUG - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1995 WILDCAT MOUNTAIN CAT - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1995 WILDCAT TOURING - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1995 ZR 700 - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1994 WILDCAT EFI - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1994 WILDCAT EFI MOUNTAIN CAT - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1994 ZR 700 - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT

Part Number: 3003-894
CRANKSHAFT ASSY, 650 L/C
- Check Pricing

Replaces 3003-446
Replaces 3003-603
Replaces 3003-939

1990 WILDCAT 650 - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1990 WILDCAT 650 MOUNTAIN CAT - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1989 WILDCAT 650 - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1989 WILDCAT MOUNTAIN CAT - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1988 WILDCAT 650 (650 L/C) - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT

Part Number: 3003-446 - R/B 3003-894 - Check Pricing
Replaced by 3003-894

Part Number: 3003-603 - R/B 3003-894 - Check Pricing
Replaced by 3003-894

Part Number: 3003-939 - R/B 3003-894 - Check Pricing
Replaced by 3003-894

Part Number: 3003-823
Crankshaft Ass'y (inc. 7-27)
- Check Pricing

Replaces 3003-802

1993 WILDCAT - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1993 WILDCAT MOUNTAIN CAT - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1992 WILDCAT - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1992 WILDCAT EFI - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1992 WILDCAT MOUNTAIN CAT - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1992 WILDCAT MOUNTAIN CAT EFI - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1991 WILDCAT 700 - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1991 WILDCAT 700 MOUNTAIN CAT - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1991 WILDCAT EFI - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1991 WILDCAT EFI MOUNTAIN CAT - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT

Part Number: 3003-802 - R/B 3003-823 - Check Pricing
Replaced by 3003-823


Part Number: 3005-632
CRANKSHAFT ASSY
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Replaces 3005-628
Replaces 3005-515

2000 POWDER SPECIAL 700 - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
2000 POWDER SPECIAL 700 LE () - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
2000 ZL 700 - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
2000 ZR 700 () - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
2000 ZR 700 - LE - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
2000 ZR 700 - LE (REVERSE) - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1999 POWDER SPECIAL 700 - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1999 POWDER SPECIAL 700 LE - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT
1999 ZR 700 - PISTON AND CRANKSHAFT


Part Number: 3005-628 - R/B 3005-632 - Check Pricing
Replaced by 3005-632


Part Number: 3005-515 - R/B 3005-632 - Check Pricing
Replaced by 3005-632

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Are there any differences between a '89 650 crank and a '95 700 crank. my 700 decided to eat the lower rod bearing the last day of riding and i have a good 650 crank i could throw in it if it would work
The big thing everyone is missing although all good points is that the rods on the 650 crank are not shotpeened and the 700 rods are the 650 rods are guaranted to fail within 200 miles. Trust me I was an Arctic Cat dealer back in those years.
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Between the above mentioned 650/700 engines, the ZRT/T-Cat 900/1000 triples, and the ZR 800/900 F8/F10 era crankshafts, there isn't a crank with better durability record...

94ZR580.. Thank You Wes for (taking time to) copy/paste BLW listing of supersessions from 1988-on...

I have been pretty busy at and after work lately....

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