2013 450 XC Smoking Bad - ArcticChat.com - Arctic Cat Forum
Utility Performance / Technical info Utility ATV Performance and Technical Discussions about specific mods, engine upgrades!

 5Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 21 Old 07-16-2018, 08:57 PM Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Junior Member
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 6
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thumbs down 2013 450 XC Smoking Bad

Picked up a used 2013 Artic Cat 450 XC. Only has 1,000 miles on it. Knew it was smoking when I bough it. Pulled the head and base off. Oil clearly leaking on exhaust valve side, intake side looked clean. So I replaced the all four valve seals. Cleaned the exhaust side ports and valves of residual oil; and carbon, replaced head and base gasket. Piston looked clean. Put all back together and it is still smoking bad. Have not pulled back apart yet, but just wondering what else it possibly could be.
pacman68 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 21 Old 07-17-2018, 03:11 PM
Administrator
 
doorfx's Avatar
ArcticChat.com Admin
 
Administrator
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Calgary AB.
Posts: 34,840
Thanks: 3,660
Thanked 3,014 Times in 2,785 Posts
Garage
ATV: 13 700 XT trv
2010 Mileage: 800
2007 Mileage: 800
2006 Mileage: 800
Oil in the muffler and exhaust system

2013 700 XT TRV EPS :
28" Bighorns on bed linered 08 Prowler rims , Wireless winch remote, 3000LB. Warn winch, Heated front and rear grips, Cat relay wiring harness for accessories, LED light bar, 08 650 trv LTD rear box, Heated rear seat, Elka stage 3 shocks all 4 corners, Aftermarket A-arm bushings, aftermarket sway bar bushings(prototype), Deluxe brush guard bumpers front and rear, Red anodized Hause fairlead, beverage opener winch hook, Synthetic winch rope, RTR motor mount bushings, Dynojet PC5 programmer, Dynojet Autotune, [/B]

07 500 Gone but not forgotten;
Dynojet/142m/45p/3rd/3turns--Clipped and drilled--Unifilter--Easy adjust PMS--L.C.V. mod--AC Swaybar--Exhaust mod--2"Snorkels--Sanny shock bushings-- Airdam stage 1--PSC phase 2--21/ 23gr rollers--Dalton yellow spring--.7mm shim--Sanny Steerlites--RTR Flex Bracket--2 up seat / pegs--Tach--AC handguards--28" Outlaw mst's--Skull tailight--Skull shifter--Self Resetting Breakers--1" Wheel spacers--Customcncparts Steering Damper--AC deluxe handwarmers--6000k HID'S hi/lo--AC Deluxe Bumpers--Inline Fuel Filter-- O2 sensor \AFR guage--Black Magic Full Stainless Exhaust System--Wireless Winch Remote--29.5 Outlaws--Fox Podium X Rear Shocks--




It's mind over matter,If you don't mind,
It just doesn't matter

No Boost No Bottle
just balls and throttle
doorfx is offline  
post #3 of 21 Old 07-17-2018, 03:18 PM
Super Moderator
 
FirecatV2's Avatar
ArcticChat.com Moderator
 
Super Moderator
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 4,458
Thanks: 205
Thanked 368 Times in 343 Posts
Sled: Radio Flyer vintage late seventy's
ATV: XTZ V2 550H1 50
agreed did you run it very long. I would probably pull the pipe and drain it. It's oil so let it hang overnight.

xtz,v2,550h1,50
FirecatV2 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 21 Old 07-18-2018, 08:23 AM Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Junior Member
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 6
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I was thinking and hoping this as well. I did run it for about 15 minute in the garage, and could clearly see oil coming out the back of the pipe on the ground. I also ran it down the block once, but it smoked so bad I had to stop, cause I know it did not make the neighbors happy. I thought though by this time it should start to subside, unless it is still full of oil in the pipe. I also noticed it did get worse as it warmed up. It does not smoke when first started, so that also led me to believe residual in the pipe.
I will also pull the plug and see what it looks like.


Thanks
pacman68 is offline  
post #5 of 21 Old 07-18-2018, 09:41 AM
Senior Member
 
mrbb's Avatar
 
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: NE PA
Posts: 1,196
Thanks: 1
Thanked 115 Times in 100 Posts
Sled: 1997 t cat,1997 zrt 600
sunk atv, sold atv. to you, ran good at first,
now crap from being sunk is eating up top end parts??
this happens a lot these days
but is ONLY a guess here? and only say due to how often it happens
food for thought call it!
doorfx and 660catman like this.
mrbb is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to mrbb For This Useful Post:
doorfx (07-18-2018)
post #6 of 21 Old 07-18-2018, 07:31 PM
Member
 
Member
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 65
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
ATV: Girlfriend's 2007 500 4WD Auto
Here's a little food for thought, I'm a member over on Grizzly Central as well, and being I also have a 2016 Yamaha Grizzly, I've read up a lot on this same kind of topic. **NOT saying this is the case, but something to look at** The 2016 Grizzly 700's had a small batch of motors that had issues with valve guides being an oblong hole instead of completely concentric. this caused the valves to not seal on the stem obviously, and led to smoking heavily, as in , fill the garage to the point you had to leave. This was resolved on said machines by replacing the head with a new one. You can however usually replace just the valve guides. Take a look at them, and if you don't have the ability, take it to your local machine shop, and they should very easily be able to measure the concentricity of your valve guide bores. The Grizzlies would usually show up around the second oil change, so this would be right in the mileage your describing. Just a little food for thought. Hope this helps, but doesn't make you nervous. Apologies if it does.
Tigman186 is offline  
post #7 of 21 Old 07-19-2018, 08:57 PM Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Junior Member
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 6
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
OK, I have ran it for a while idling and blipping the throttle, and still smoking bad, like you said fill the garage up quickly. I pulled the plug and it looks pretty clean. I would expect to see burnt oil on it, but I changed the oil; so pretty clean at the moment. My plan is to get a chance to ride it up and down the steet and let it smoke good, and see if my oil level drops and plug check again. I just don't want to pull the head again until I am sure I need to. PITA, time and more money. However, if I end up having to, then I will get the head reworked and new guides.
pacman68 is offline  
post #8 of 21 Old 07-19-2018, 09:12 PM
Senior Member
 
mrbb's Avatar
 
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: NE PA
Posts: 1,196
Thanks: 1
Thanked 115 Times in 100 Posts
Sled: 1997 t cat,1997 zrt 600
can you do a compression test and see what it says?
mrbb is offline  
post #9 of 21 Old 07-19-2018, 09:32 PM
Administrator
 
doorfx's Avatar
ArcticChat.com Admin
 
Administrator
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Calgary AB.
Posts: 34,840
Thanks: 3,660
Thanked 3,014 Times in 2,785 Posts
Garage
ATV: 13 700 XT trv
2010 Mileage: 800
2007 Mileage: 800
2006 Mileage: 800
You need to run it at some higher rpm on a road or trail if you can. That will rule out residual oil.
GoldCatmaster13 likes this.

2013 700 XT TRV EPS :
28" Bighorns on bed linered 08 Prowler rims , Wireless winch remote, 3000LB. Warn winch, Heated front and rear grips, Cat relay wiring harness for accessories, LED light bar, 08 650 trv LTD rear box, Heated rear seat, Elka stage 3 shocks all 4 corners, Aftermarket A-arm bushings, aftermarket sway bar bushings(prototype), Deluxe brush guard bumpers front and rear, Red anodized Hause fairlead, beverage opener winch hook, Synthetic winch rope, RTR motor mount bushings, Dynojet PC5 programmer, Dynojet Autotune, [/B]

07 500 Gone but not forgotten;
Dynojet/142m/45p/3rd/3turns--Clipped and drilled--Unifilter--Easy adjust PMS--L.C.V. mod--AC Swaybar--Exhaust mod--2"Snorkels--Sanny shock bushings-- Airdam stage 1--PSC phase 2--21/ 23gr rollers--Dalton yellow spring--.7mm shim--Sanny Steerlites--RTR Flex Bracket--2 up seat / pegs--Tach--AC handguards--28" Outlaw mst's--Skull tailight--Skull shifter--Self Resetting Breakers--1" Wheel spacers--Customcncparts Steering Damper--AC deluxe handwarmers--6000k HID'S hi/lo--AC Deluxe Bumpers--Inline Fuel Filter-- O2 sensor \AFR guage--Black Magic Full Stainless Exhaust System--Wireless Winch Remote--29.5 Outlaws--Fox Podium X Rear Shocks--




It's mind over matter,If you don't mind,
It just doesn't matter

No Boost No Bottle
just balls and throttle
doorfx is offline  
post #10 of 21 Old 07-25-2018, 08:04 AM
Administrator
 
doorfx's Avatar
ArcticChat.com Admin
 
Administrator
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Calgary AB.
Posts: 34,840
Thanks: 3,660
Thanked 3,014 Times in 2,785 Posts
Garage
ATV: 13 700 XT trv
2010 Mileage: 800
2007 Mileage: 800
2006 Mileage: 800
Any luck ?

2013 700 XT TRV EPS :
28" Bighorns on bed linered 08 Prowler rims , Wireless winch remote, 3000LB. Warn winch, Heated front and rear grips, Cat relay wiring harness for accessories, LED light bar, 08 650 trv LTD rear box, Heated rear seat, Elka stage 3 shocks all 4 corners, Aftermarket A-arm bushings, aftermarket sway bar bushings(prototype), Deluxe brush guard bumpers front and rear, Red anodized Hause fairlead, beverage opener winch hook, Synthetic winch rope, RTR motor mount bushings, Dynojet PC5 programmer, Dynojet Autotune, [/B]

07 500 Gone but not forgotten;
Dynojet/142m/45p/3rd/3turns--Clipped and drilled--Unifilter--Easy adjust PMS--L.C.V. mod--AC Swaybar--Exhaust mod--2"Snorkels--Sanny shock bushings-- Airdam stage 1--PSC phase 2--21/ 23gr rollers--Dalton yellow spring--.7mm shim--Sanny Steerlites--RTR Flex Bracket--2 up seat / pegs--Tach--AC handguards--28" Outlaw mst's--Skull tailight--Skull shifter--Self Resetting Breakers--1" Wheel spacers--Customcncparts Steering Damper--AC deluxe handwarmers--6000k HID'S hi/lo--AC Deluxe Bumpers--Inline Fuel Filter-- O2 sensor \AFR guage--Black Magic Full Stainless Exhaust System--Wireless Winch Remote--29.5 Outlaws--Fox Podium X Rear Shocks--




It's mind over matter,If you don't mind,
It just doesn't matter

No Boost No Bottle
just balls and throttle
doorfx is offline  
Reply

  Lower Navigation
Go Back   ArcticChat.com - Arctic Cat Forum > ATV's > Utility ATV repair and maintenance & Troubleshooting > Utility Performance / Technical info

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the ArcticChat.com - Arctic Cat Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
In search of rear arm to tunnel bracket TallCool1 Procross 2012-? 1 01-27-2019 05:35 PM
2013 Case and 2015 Jack shaft bearing compatibility ? Not sure if wrong part was installed JOE G Procross 2012-? 4 11-28-2017 09:08 PM
2013 Mudpro 1000 Smoking in idle Setch Utility ATV repair and maintenance & Troubleshooting 14 09-25-2017 08:10 PM
2016 8000 hesitation. Flying Dutchman Procross 2012-? 27 02-08-2017 05:08 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome