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650 H1 2008 New Frame Blowing Fuses to ignition

I bought a 2008 650 H1 that had rolled down a mountain. The front wheels were 2 inches to the left of the back wheel and it pulled hard to the right. I got sick of driving it that way and bought a used frame off of ebay. I changed EVERY thing over to the new frame. Ever since then I am blowing fuses. I can't repeat the issue ie I can't follow a pattern and reproduce the problem consistently.

The first time I blew fuses was when I was pushing snow this winter. Sometimes it would blow after the machine got warmed up and then sometime it would blow as soon as I turned the machine on. After a while it would blow within the first 2 minutes of pushing snow.

This winter I took all the front plastics off and went through the steering column looking for a wire that might be cut and causing a short. I could not find any that looked really suspect. but I rewrapped them and tucked the up nicer in the steering column. Things seemed to be good this spring and no issues.

Fast forward to today. I was pulling my Jetski out of the lake and pop the fuse went again. I pull off the seat and change the fuses and turned the key and pop it went again. I got another atv and pulled it out of the lake and waited for about 5 minutes. I changed fuses and turned it on and everything was fine for 5 minutes then pop it went again. I have had the atv in the water at least 5 times this year and this is the first time it is popping.

How can I find the short? What should I be looking for? I imagine that I hooked something up wrong. what accessories run off of the ignition fuse? How can I find a short? are there tools and stuff I can use to solve this problem?

Also The light cluster dies as well. I still have headlights but everything else is dead.

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Check the connection to the 4x4 actuator.

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Sounds like you need a schematic and a multimeter.

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What specific fuse (or fuses) keep blowing? Just wondering....

Also check frame ground and Engine ground wires. Add dielectric grease to their contract points before torquing down their nut/bolts.
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Thank you all for your support. Sorry i did not respond sooner. The machine is at the cabin and I was not able to get back up here until now.

I believe it is the front differential actuator. I disconnected the 4 prong connector and turned on the machine and dash lights came on and everything was great. While it was running I reconnected the actuator and poof the engine died and the dash lights went out. I left the ignition in the on position and replaced 2 or 3 fuses and poof. The fuse popped every time i put a new one in. I turned off the key and put a new one in and poof it did it again 2 or 3 more times. (I have a bag of 60 fuses I bought off of eBay so I was having fun. I am sure it is not good on the machine but it is all good. )

I disconnected the actuator with the key in the on position and the dash lights came on and everything worked. I started it and it ran great.

Now how do I fix the actuator? Can I fix the short? I will take it apart in the next few days.
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You might be able to fix it. You never know until you pull it apart.

The don't always seal and get full of water. Replacements are not cheap so it worth a look.

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Yes that is why I said to check the actuator as the same thing happened to mine.
Read this thread.
4WD Actuator 0502-296 (3-wire) removal, disassembly, and waterproofing guide https://www.arcticchat.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=302537

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28" Bighorns on bed linered 08 Prowler rims , Wireless winch remote, 3000LB. Warn winch, Heated front and rear grips, Cat relay wiring harness for accessories, LED light bar, 08 650 trv LTD rear box, Heated rear seat, Elka stage 3 shocks all 4 corners, Aftermarket A-arm bushings, aftermarket sway bar bushings(prototype), Deluxe brush guard bumpers front and rear, Red anodized Hause fairlead, beverage opener winch hook, Synthetic winch rope, RTR motor mount bushings, Dynojet PC5 programmer, Dynojet Autotune, [/B]

07 500 Gone but not forgotten;
Dynojet/142m/45p/3rd/3turns--Clipped and drilled--Unifilter--Easy adjust PMS--L.C.V. mod--AC Swaybar--Exhaust mod--2"Snorkels--Sanny shock bushings-- Airdam stage 1--PSC phase 2--21/ 23gr rollers--Dalton yellow spring--.7mm shim--Sanny Steerlites--RTR Flex Bracket--2 up seat / pegs--Tach--AC handguards--28" Outlaw mst's--Skull tailight--Skull shifter--Self Resetting Breakers--1" Wheel spacers--Customcncparts Steering Damper--AC deluxe handwarmers--6000k HID'S hi/lo--AC Deluxe Bumpers--Inline Fuel Filter-- O2 sensor \AFR guage--Black Magic Full Stainless Exhaust System--Wireless Winch Remote--29.5 Outlaws--Fox Podium X Rear Shocks--




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Yes that is why I said to check the actuator as the same thing happened to mine.
Read this thread.
4WD Actuator 0502-296 (3-wire) removal, disassembly, and waterproofing guide https://www.arcticchat.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=302537
HOLY CRAP! Freaking Awesome Post.... Congrats on your electrical smarts you are amazing.

How Do I diagnose the bad transistors (Q1, Q2, and Q3), two limit switches (SW1 and SW2), a relay (K1), three resistors (R1, R2, and R3), a larger diode (D1), two smaller diodes (D4 and D5), and finally the servo motor. I have a multimeter but don't know how to use it.

My oring that goes into the differential was toast maybe water was getting in there and it is soaked inside.

I am going to break it open after I get 4 can lights installed for my wife.
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Yes that is why I said to check the actuator as the same thing happened to mine.
Read this thread.
4WD Actuator 0502-296 (3-wire) removal, disassembly, and waterproofing guide https://www.arcticchat.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=302537
I think I found the problem. I have a question about the circuit board. It looks pretty hammered. It looks like some of the copper has cooked off. Do you think it is worth the time to change all the components? The D5 and Q2 are not even attached. It looks like Q2 melted the solder and reattached itself closer to the diode.
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I doubt you can even find the parts. Especially if the board is damaged

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28" Bighorns on bed linered 08 Prowler rims , Wireless winch remote, 3000LB. Warn winch, Heated front and rear grips, Cat relay wiring harness for accessories, LED light bar, 08 650 trv LTD rear box, Heated rear seat, Elka stage 3 shocks all 4 corners, Aftermarket A-arm bushings, aftermarket sway bar bushings(prototype), Deluxe brush guard bumpers front and rear, Red anodized Hause fairlead, beverage opener winch hook, Synthetic winch rope, RTR motor mount bushings, Dynojet PC5 programmer, Dynojet Autotune, [/B]

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Dynojet/142m/45p/3rd/3turns--Clipped and drilled--Unifilter--Easy adjust PMS--L.C.V. mod--AC Swaybar--Exhaust mod--2"Snorkels--Sanny shock bushings-- Airdam stage 1--PSC phase 2--21/ 23gr rollers--Dalton yellow spring--.7mm shim--Sanny Steerlites--RTR Flex Bracket--2 up seat / pegs--Tach--AC handguards--28" Outlaw mst's--Skull tailight--Skull shifter--Self Resetting Breakers--1" Wheel spacers--Customcncparts Steering Damper--AC deluxe handwarmers--6000k HID'S hi/lo--AC Deluxe Bumpers--Inline Fuel Filter-- O2 sensor \AFR guage--Black Magic Full Stainless Exhaust System--Wireless Winch Remote--29.5 Outlaws--Fox Podium X Rear Shocks--




It's mind over matter,If you don't mind,
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