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2 stroke vs 4 stroke yamaha vs cat

Hey guys, I hope you guys can help me out I currently have a 04 firecat 600 efi and I am thinking about selling it and going for a 4 stroke, does arctic cat make 4 strokes that are in the 2-3000$ range because that's what I think I could get for my sled and that's what yamahas are going for around here. My mom used to have a 06 Yamaha nytro and I liked the torque of the 4 stroke, and generelly liked the sled except when I got it stuck unfortunalty we blew it up on the trail, (our mistake) so I can't ride that sled. I would like one with maybe a 136 or 144 so I don't get stuck as easy and it will bridge the bumps better. Are the older yamahas rider forward too? Help me stay with arctic cat. Btw it doesn't really have to be a 4 stroke just liked the power.

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I'm seeing Z1s in the 4k range, you could get a T660 Turbo for 3000-3500.

I've put a lot of miles on my T660 and have loved it but it is becoming dated.

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Thanks kopeck, I probably should have given a little more info on my self and where I ride. I am 16 5'8" 130#(I know, a 440 would probably be plenty lol) but I ride some trails but mostly un groomed trails and I love to go through and over drifts, and what I would call deep powder for western New York lol basically what you would expect from a 16yo haha. I did like my parents 06 nytro, I found a 07 apex that I'm interested in just wondering how it would be compared to the nytro, I read that it's more of a laid back high speed cruiser, and that the nytro a more off a ruff trail type sled. I know there both pretty heavy but which between the two is heavier and sounds like it would be more suited towards my riding style. Thanks for any and all advice.

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Also there's a few 03 Yamaha rx1's for 3-3500. How do they compare to a nytro or apex

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Another [post under 4 strokes, a fella is selling his '07 Z1 w/ high miles. Should be a 121", but rides like a dream as I have one and rode that 99% of time till I got my ET. When not riding the ET, I'll go for the Z1. Can ride it for 150-175 miles and not feel like I rode that many miles in a day and that's on Tug Hill!!. 123HP for the Z1, Cat's 500 is only 85HP. You might find a '07 or '08 F6 which will be a Suzuki. These sleds are 118HP.

Don't get the Z1 stuck, but the Z1 comes in LXR form and the F6 in LXR and SP.
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Thanks kopeck, I probably should have given a little more info on my self and where I ride. I am 16 5'8" 130#(I know, a 440 would probably be plenty lol) but I ride some trails but mostly un groomed trails and I love to go through and over drifts, and what I would call deep powder for western New York lol basically what you would expect from a 16yo haha. I did like my parents 06 nytro, I found a 07 apex that I'm interested in just wondering how it would be compared to the nytro, I read that it's more of a laid back high speed cruiser, and that the nytro a more off a ruff trail type sled. I know there both pretty heavy but which between the two is heavier and sounds like it would be more suited towards my riding style. Thanks for any and all advice.

I haven't ridden a Nytro so I can't say. I have ridden an Apex and found it to be comparable to my Turbo. I think the weight is centered better on the Apex, it just feels much more balanced but I think the T660's suspension is better.

The T660 Turbo is probably the closest to your price range unless you find a really high mileage Z1.

The T660 excels at groomed trail riding. It's super smooth, quiet and gets good to excellent milage (depends on your thumb). I do most of my riding at 30 - 50 MPH and it just perfect for that.

That's not to say you can use it in other ways. I've ridden in just about every condition imaginable. Was it ideal? No, but it worked. Heck I broke most of the trails in my area last year, 3+ feet of powder. I got stuck but so did everyone else. I just kept my momentum going...it was pretty amazing what I got done with that machine...

Anyway, I sounds like a Z1 would be ideal for you if you could find the extra pennies. Prices are down in Maine, bad winter, sleds are not moving at all. It might be a good time to strike if things are the same in your area.

To bad you were not closer, that Apex I talked about above is for sale at a killer price....

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Thanks kopeck, I think I might go with the yamaha because their more readily availiable and cheaper, thanks for your help, I might still keep an eye out for a t660

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Whatever 4 stroke you end up buying, try to find some used powder pro skis for it. It will make a huge difference in deeper snow. Trust me, I speak from experience.
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I will take your advice on that snowcannon, really don't want to get one of these tanks stuck. Did once, and could barely pull it out it with a sidexside lol

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