Studding 2010 CF8 Sno Pro WTF is Going On???, 1.5 " Lug track Options

[Snowman.ca]

Just got the new 2010 CF8 SP with the 1.5 " lug.

Finding alot of conflicting info out there on studding this puupy.

Artic Cat says NO studs recommened.....at TO show today, talked to Rep and they phoned engineer who says clearance may be issue.

Couple CF8 (2009) friends say they don't stud their sleds.

Woddys does NOT make a stud for this machine...although some of there dealer tried talking me into 1.45 or 1.75 inch studs....either too litlle or too much.... I am thinking a stud of 1.625 is ideal!

Stud Boys says they have this stud (1.625) BUT even though Artic CATs brochure says this sled is a ONE PLY track....STUD BOY reps are sayiong Artic CAT pulled all single ply tracks due to relaibility issues and the track I have is a multi or two ply track. Artic CO reps were not sure at show.

Questions:

1) Should I Stud?
2) If I do which one.....is this a single ply track????
3) Clearence issues with front bulk head/heat exchanger?


I have had 2 BRP Renegades 8000 X with 1.25 inch single ply, both an 08 and 09 and studded it......I ride some trail, alot of riding in Northern Ontario both on/off trail.


Any comment appreciated

[Johnmaster]

Hello Snowman,
Congratulations, nice sled! Good choice!

I have been working on solutions to studding these machines since even before I got my 09 800 CF SP last year. The 09 is exactly the same in regards to studding procedure as your 2010. It is no surprise that Arctic Cat says not to stud since they haven't even gone far enough to offer a stud for the application yet! It's just a niche market and they probably figure it isn't worth the time for the 100 sets they might sell each year. They changed the 2010 F-series back to double ply, I wouldn't be surprised if was partly to do with confusion studding those regular pitch cobras. These ARE single ply, all of the 141" 09-10 Crossfire 1.25 and 1.5" tracks are single ply design.

There is nothing rocket science about it but you need the correct parts and info to do the job right the first time. Clearance is not an issue, I also run a 2.25 Power Claw part of the season, there's gobs of room in there for the studs. The Cat tunnel protector kit is a complete waste of time and $50 and will not protect enough for comfort. It would take anywhere from 3 dealer hours to 5 or 6 real garage hours to install and doesn't protect enough for the 1.5" with those flexible middle lugs. I have scratches in my cooler from last year so in the off season I developed a really nice machined nylon tunnel protector kit for them that protects completely and installs in an hour without removing the gas tank/skid or drilling out any rivets.

Woodys does not make a stud for these tracks, they stop at a length barely tall enough for the 1.25 (1.352) standard cobras. Stud Boy is just coming out with some, I ordered a pack for testing this year. I have been running the Big Shot studs on this sled since dec of last year, they have been the only stud made for these tracks since early last season. They have 1.200 heads and I have carried their products for about 6 years now. The Big Shots have larger more supportive backers than the Stud Boys, and the carbide tip is much larger (the largest anyone makes). The tips wear longer than you would ever expect. The Bullseye backers are almost 1.600 dia and they also offer Double Bull backers for a super rigid combination. The Big Shots are packaged with tall nuts and they are basically mandatory for studs this tall.

141" track is a 3" pitch and has 47 lugs so 3 per row would work out as 141 studs. They all go up the middle. I have a pattern that works perfect to easily pull this pattern off.

1) You are probably familiar with the wide pitch (2.86") single ply scenario from your XP Renegades, if you are used to running studs in the past you will probably be missing out with this sled if you don't stud. That new motor is going to have alot of power that needs to get to the ground somehow.
2) The Big Shots, designed specifically for your Single Ply track.
3) none whatsoever, rear and mid tunnel protectors are required, Arctic cat's kit is not good for this job, I have a kit ready to go with full instructions.

I will pm you the links, you can use "My Assistant" up above and search Johnmaster in this forum (nice feature) for other threads with studding info in them and a couple testimonials.
If anyone else wants info, feel fre to PM me.

John Preiser
www.johnmaster.net

[jjlrrw]

I would recommend the protector kit from John and his studs also, I installed one on a CFR a week ago and plan to install on a '10 CF8 SP when it arrives. The kit and directions are spot on and we installed it in about 1.5 hours could have done it in less time but had a few interruptions.

[2006TS]

john i have an 09 xfire 141"and i put woodys round pancake backers on er' and i used studboy studs (ill get you the exact size?) with long nylon lock nuts, i really dont notice anymore hook-up (usually ride powder) but when its icy out in the corners i notice and on the lake a BIT its definayley stops better. i did have a "few" scrathes on my cooler, but nothing to worry about. im going to pull out ALL those studs and ride with none this year.....i dont want the headache nor the bad dreams, the a/c tunnel pro's dont work anyways, and those studs weigh about a million pounds on that long friggin track. i never bought a 141" to lake race anyways...

id sure love to get a pic though of that cooler cover you invented.......maybe ill buy it.

thanks alot

rob

[kerry3eb]

Just got the new 2010 CF8 SP with the 1.5 " lug.

Finding alot of conflicting info out there on studding this puupy.

Artic Cat says NO studs recommened.....at TO show today, talked to Rep and they phoned engineer who says clearance may be issue.

Couple CF8 (2009) friends say they don't stud their sleds.

Woddys does NOT make a stud for this machine...although some of there dealer tried talking me into 1.45 or 1.75 inch studs....either too litlle or too much.... I am thinking a stud of 1.625 is ideal!

Stud Boys says they have this stud (1.625) BUT even though Artic CATs brochure says this sled is a ONE PLY track....STUD BOY reps are sayiong Artic CAT pulled all single ply tracks due to relaibility issues and the track I have is a multi or two ply track. Artic CO reps were not sure at show.

Questions:

1) Should I Stud?
2) If I do which one.....is this a single ply track????
3) Clearence issues with front bulk head/heat exchanger?


I have had 2 BRP Renegades 8000 X with 1.25 inch single ply, both an 08 and 09 and studded it......I ride some trail, alot of riding in Northern Ontario both on/off trail.


Any comment appreciated

hi dave,
have you measured your cobra 1.5 track.i did today and found something very interesting (i will post a pic shortly)the lugs are alot taller than 1.5....closer to 1.75 interesting!!!!!true story
as for ply yes they are single ply.as for studding both johnny and ryan and myself do not stud.i have not studded since my 2000 zrt.(so firecat,crossfire and now crossfire again)now mind you this may be a personal perference thing but we find these tracks have alot of bite.
why don't you try it and then decide.the stretch of the single ply is going to be huge anyway.so it will benefit you to stud after a few miles.keep us posted.

kerry

[heavyriffs]

Do NOT put a lot of pics on this track, 1 or 2 lines down the middle is plenty. I had no studs and the track did not hold up for 1200 miles, missing lugs freying etc.. Don't go crazy on pics with this track. I am now running a 2.25 claw..

[Snowman.ca]

Kerry Thanks for Reply...may buy some Studs this weekend......going to NOVI, MI...you?

Interesting comment on lug hieght and stretch....had 08 and 09 Ren X 800 with single ply....no stretch issues.

Will measure track later and post up hieght.

DAve

[Snowman.ca]

1.5" lug height on mine....some alot more plyable than others

[swamper]

I purchased the tunnel protector kit from John, very trustworthy and good to deal with. I have 198 studboy's 1 1/2 braking power and acceleration is better then I have ever seen. (all my sleds are studded)

[Johnmaster]

Hello Rob, Here are some photos of the tunnel protector kits. The first one is the 09-10 kit and the second one is the 06-08 kit. Photos above were user modified strips he made before these kits were machined and ready. The one has black mid strips that are now actually white. Hoping to get a better photo of the 09-10 kit soon, but you get the idea.

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[Johnmaster]

Arctic Cat makes track lug heights anything but simple. The "1.25" inch cobra is the same as Camoplasts "1.352". Cat measures to the flat part of the tip of the lug for studding recommendations, Camoplast measures to the pointed tips (.102 extra). Same on the 1.5, it actually measures 1.602 to the points, but for studding purposes, the broad part of the track is the best way to size as the rubber tips help you a bit as well.



***ironic that my 141st post would be about 141" tracks :0 Creepy.

[Snowman.ca]

Bought the Johnmaster studs and tunnel protector at the Noiv show.

Tunnel Protectors are an excellent product and very easy to install. Very glad I did not put the Artic Cat protectors on my sled.

Want to try a few rides without studs but plan to add them soon into the snow season.

Thanks John fro a GREAT product and deal!!

[kerry3eb]

Bought the Johnmaster studs and tunnel protector at the Noiv show.

Tunnel Protectors are an excellent product and very easy to install. Very glad I did not put the Artic Cat protectors on my sled.

Want to try a few rides without studs but plan to add them soon into the snow season.

Thanks John fro a GREAT product and deal!!

hey guys....snowman and johnmasters.....good to see you again dave and meet you john in Novi.johnny(ditch'rocket) is loving his new skis
Novi was a good sled show. found lots of good deals and met some cool people too.
we took back about 5000.00 worth of stuff between 6 guys in just over 24 hours.good thing there were no issues at the border....a little smooth talkin goes a long way.and not to mention the duty free booze...oops i guess i just did.

kerry