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post #1 of 11 Old 12-01-2009, 11:35 AM Thread Starter
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I have two 06 Sabercat 700's. They only have about 1700 miles on them. My question is, are my front shocks in need of a rebuild or do I have it set completely wrong, or am I just a moron?

Here is how they are set up now.
On my wife's sled I have the preload set with about 2-1/4" of threads showing.
On mine I have the preload cranked up with around 3-1/4" of threads showing. And I still have a solid 2" of static sag set up like this.

The reason I have mine set up so high is that the front seems really soft to me, and the front was bottoming out all the time.

But the weird thing to me is I can still completely compress the shock buy just pushing down on the front bumper without a lot of force on both sleds. (Is this normal?) I hate having the preload so high because I sacrificed ski presure for being able to ride harder while ditch banging. Turns like crap...

So long story short, should I look at stiffer springs, or should I have my shocks rebuilt/re valved? Or it it just fine and I'm over thinking the whole thing? Or should I look at setting the front shock in the skid differant?

And yeah I realize the sabercats aren't set up to be ditch bangers. But that is all I really have when I ride localy.

Hope this makes some sort of sense to you guys, since I typed this up really fast while at work...
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Have they ever been rebuilt? and the rears? by what you describe the springs are bad and the shocks lost there nitrogen charge.

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My F5 was the same way-
I'm 6' & 260# so I had ALL the shocks re-valved then took off the crap stock yellow springs (rated @ like 60#) and installed orange 3 rate progressive springs (60/90/130#) from another brand of A/C that my dealer hooked me up with going by the spring length.
I have them turned to about 1/2 way on the shock (100ish#), got good ski pressure (run Curve XS w/9.5 shaper bars so they turn good anyways), the whole track is on the ground and no front end sag. It didn't bottom out once last year even on the roughest Tug Hill trails...
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I have a very similar set up ^^and its good smooth to rough..

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My 2005 Sabercat 600 LX sits the same way; it's as if I wrote your story. I had all four shocks rebuilt and as I thought it makes no difference on the ride height. Ride height is all about the springs on Sabercats. If you want it to be firm you'll need to change out the springs, maybe Firecat springs. As far as the shock rebuild, I would say with 1700 miles they should be rebuilt but again it won't change the height or the bottoming out.

Here is a good rebuilder. http://www.shock-service.com/

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what i did to my firecat to eliminate bottoming and the intial sag, changed to single rate spring.

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Thanks guys!

Here is my plan. Since I will be putting new carbides on this weekend so since i'll have it up on the stand, I'm going to take the shocks and springs off and see if I can compress the shock without the spring. If'n I can, it's in need of a re-build for sure. If it gives me a lot of resistance then I might just put it back on and start looking for stiffer spings.

kevinbender0311 so you put 06 x-fire spings on? Do you have an idea what they run? I might try that first.

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I looked last night on Alpha Sports.com they average about 35 ea for straight rate springs. Firecats's about the same price. Wish I realized about the springs, I just went crazy with ACT clicker shocks for like 300.00 when I coulda spent 70 on different springs. WTF??

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Maybe look into a progressive 3 rate as well, just gives you more adjustabillity to go stiffer. They are like 14 1/2" long I think (mine measured 12" compressed some @ the top), orange + were pretty cheap too from my dealer- $40ish maybe??
I've had no problems cranking 'em all the way up (but it gets too stiff after riding big moguls all day long), mid way is a really good balance with no bottom out for me...
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I looked last night on Alpha Sports.com they average about 35 ea for straight rate springs. Firecats's about the same price. Wish I realized about the springs, I just went crazy with ACT clicker shocks for like 300.00 when I coulda spent 70 on different springs. WTF??

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ATTENTION Alphasports shoppers, It pays to look around before buying!!

Coulda bought alot of gas & oil for a few hundred miles of riding too, sorry dude just breakin' chops!

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