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Old 08-09-2010, 12:09 PM   #1
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Hi, tried a bit of searching, but not sure how to word it so it just comes up with every thread containing something w/serial numbers.
How do you find out what year and model/engine an old chassis is?? I know the early seventies and older Cats had lots of different engine makes and sizes in most of the models. Is there a "how to" or "sticky" on the forum (or elsewhere) to look up a serial number to get the actual year, and even better, the engine make and size that was original to the chassis? How about the Kawasaki engines from that era?? I've got several partial and complete ones that I don't know what year they are.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
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Old 08-09-2010, 12:21 PM   #2
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What model sled do you have? Pics maybe? These guys can usually tell you whats what just from a picture.. Generally the first digit of the serial number is the last digit of the mfg year.. so my el tigre starts with a 9 so its a 79 cause I know its not one of the 80 models. As for your engine there should be an I.D. Tag somewhere, every engine has one you just have to look.. my spirit has the tag on the exhaust side of engine on the fan shroud and my kolher is on top of the fan shroud on carb side... Just have to look around till you find the tags and then you can get the specific info you need. Good luck bud!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (snowcat357 @ Aug 9 2010, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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What model sled do you have? Pics maybe? These guys can usually tell you whats what just from a picture.. Generally the first digit of the serial number is the last digit of the mfg year.. so my el tigre starts with a 9 so its a 79 cause I know its not one of the 80 models. As for your engine there should be an I.D. Tag somewhere, every engine has one you just have to look.. my spirit has the tag on the exhaust side of engine on the fan shroud and my kolher is on top of the fan shroud on carb side... Just have to look around till you find the tags and then you can get the specific info you need. Good luck bud![/b]
"Generally the first digit of the serial number is the last digit of the mfg year.. so my el tigre starts with a 9 so its a 79 cause I know its not one of the 80 models."
OK, thanks. That helps quite a bit for the chassis year at least. Thats a good start.

"As for your engine there should be an I.D. Tag somewhere, every engine has one you just have to look.. "
The old(er) Kawasakis have a "model" number on the top of the fan shroud w/the cc size and such on it. Just wondering if there is a way to determine the year of manufacture from that code.
Thanks for the tips. I'll check out the chassis of the unkown one. (mid '70's Panter 340 Kawasaki-engine had temp warning light in dash). I do know the other one is a '71 Panter 399. It has the "axial flow" Kawasaki hood w/original graphics. No engine, everthing else is very good. Speedo and tach and electric start equip. I would like to replace w/correct year engine.
I have a '74 VIP Cat-o-matic 440 engine w/oil injection, also but thats not the right one for the '71.
Keep the tips/info coming. Thanks!

Edit: some more searching here turned up a post that referenced bosscatlegacy.com. This has an excellant list in the "extras" heading, if I recall, for all the engine model numbers year by year and some info. The '71 Kawasaki Axial Flow (had a JLO Axial Flow, too) engine number was TIA400S1. If it was a '73 for example, it should be a TIB400S1A.
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Go to http://www.bosscatlegacy.com/index.htm and click on "Arctic Cat Extras" then scroll down and click on "Arctic Cat Snowmobile Productions" then scroll down and click on the "year" of your sled, it'll show model numbers, motor numbers, how many were produced and etc. As other guys have said the '70's sled the first number is the year, if you serial number starts with a 2 it is a 1972. I've heard the '60's have one number less than the '70's but I'm not sure how the other decades work. You can always contact the people on that site and ask them.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (72EXT @ Aug 9 2010, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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Go to http://www.bosscatlegacy.com/index.htm and click on "Arctic Cat Extras" then scroll down and click on "Arctic Cat Snowmobile Productions" then scroll down and click on the "year" of your sled, it'll show model numbers, motor numbers, how many were produced and etc. As other guys have said the '70's sled the first number is the year, if you serial number starts with a 2 it is a 1972. I've heard the '60's have one number less than the '70's but I'm not sure how the other decades work. You can always contact the people on that site and ask them.[/b]
Yep. Had already found it. Answered my questions, thanks. Now I just need to figure out what year engines I have on hand and what I need to look for!
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Another site that is a good reference are the parts manuals on "Brown's Leisureworld.com." They do well to about 1972. Before that, things get a little fuzzy. What you can remember for the old engine code ID system they used from about 1967 to 1971 is this: It's alphabet soup. J is for JLO, K is for Kohler, A is for Arctic, which really means Kawasaki, W is for Wankel, H is for Hirth, S is for Sachs. Now for actual sled models it can get muddy because real people hand stamped these ID tags, and they sometimes goofed or changed things on the fly or from year to year. I've seen Panther listed as P and PA, and BP. I've seen Puma listed as P and PU. The old bogie springed Cougars are listed with a C. E is for EXT. ES is for EXT Special. KK is for King Kat. TT is for Turf Tiger. L is for Lynx. M is for MOD. I've also seen some 1968 and 1969 Panthers with electric start with an "ES" in the number. So say you found the hulk of a 1971 EXT Special 440? The ID tag should read ES440A and the serial number should start with a 1. A 1970 Puma 634 MOD would read PU634HM or some combination of the same letters. The serial number would start with a 0. I hope this helps someone. I have all my Dad's old dealer manuals from 1967 to '72 and I like to help people. So if you get royally stuck, shoot me a PM or and email and I'll try to help you out with ID.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gbarchives-eltigre @ Aug 13 2010, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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Another site that is a good reference are the parts manuals on "Brown's Leisureworld.com." They do well to about 1972. Before that, things get a little fuzzy. What you can remember for the old engine code ID system they used from about 1967 to 1971 is this: It's alphabet soup. J is for JLO, K is for Kohler, A is for Arctic, which really means Kawasaki, W is for Wankel, H is for Hirth, S is for Sachs. Now for actual sled models it can get muddy because real people hand stamped these ID tags, and they sometimes goofed or changed things on the fly or from year to year. I've seen Panther listed as P and PA, and BP. I've seen Puma listed as P and PU. The old bogie springed Cougars are listed with a C. E is for EXT. ES is for EXT Special. KK is for King Kat. TT is for Turf Tiger. L is for Lynx. M is for MOD. I've also seen some 1968 and 1969 Panthers with electric start with an "ES" in the number. So say you found the hulk of a 1971 EXT Special 440? The ID tag should read ES440A and the serial number should start with a 1. A 1970 Puma 634 MOD would read PU634HM or some combination of the same letters. The serial number would start with a 0. I hope this helps someone. I have all my Dad's old dealer manuals from 1967 to '72 and I like to help people. So if you get royally stuck, shoot me a PM or and email and I'll try to help you out with ID.[/b]
Thats interesting info! Thanks.
Additional question. Are all/most of the Kawasaki fan bottom ends (cases/cranks/rods) interchangeable throughout the sizes. Meaning can I take a 340 bottom end and put 399 or 440 cylinders/pistons on it, or are the rods or crank stroke different for each of them??
Thanks for the help!
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Additional question. Are all/most of the Kawasaki fan bottom ends (cases/cranks/rods) interchangeable throughout the sizes. Meaning can I take a 340 bottom end and put 399 or 440 cylinders/pistons on it, or are the rods or crank stroke different for each of them??
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Same bottom end.
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Additional question. Are all/most of the Kawasaki fan bottom ends (cases/cranks/rods) interchangeable throughout the sizes. Meaning can I take a 340 bottom end and put 399 or 440 cylinders/pistons on it, or are the rods or crank stroke different for each of them??
Thanks for the help![/b]
Same bottom end.
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