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post #1 of 13 Old 02-14-2007, 05:56 PM Thread Starter
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I found one of the rollers on the spider wasn't turning and wore a flat spot on the roller and the weight. I then got the good news that you can't rebuild the spider so I had to order a new one for $180. Anyways I'm trying to get that retainer nut off without buying that special socket. Anyone done it or have any tricks. Yes I'm using heat but wow, its really on there. Then I'm gonna try and get the spider off without that tool but don't think that will be to bad.
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Good luck! It's a bitch without the proper tools. Just be carefull that if you do get it off to make sure it's tightened properly. Cluth coming apart isn't pretty.




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good luck tougher that %!*? trust me you need the special tools and dont skimp and buy the cheap stuff look around and see what every one else has had luck with for tools. GOOD LUCK
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You could have had a whole new primary for $250.

That nut is tightened to 250 ft/lbs so it will take some force to break loose.

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3/4" Deep well 1 7/16 six point or like I did, cut a regular socket and welded a piece of black pipe between the pieces to lengthen it.

A spider tool is required to spin it off also.

You well also need a clutch holding tool that you bolt the clutch down on, you will need a 30mm or 33mm depending on your sled f7 are 33mm most older sleds even large cc's use 30mm.

Weld this clutch holding tool to a 2'' piece of square stock and insert in your truck hitch. This setup prevents breaking bench mounted vise's.

High heat makes this job very easy, Oxygen/acetylene is best but becarefull if useing a cutting tip. Just overly increase fuel to cool the flame.

If you only have a propane torch buy a map gas tank and crank the heat all the way, the faster you heat the better.

Have your socket ready to use and start heating the nut only and when you hear kind of a pop, ting like noise a half dozen times remove the heat and remove the nut.

Now do the same to the spider and bam its apart.
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rsss396 hit it right on the head. You will need the special tool for the spider and the tool to hold the clutch. Even with with the right tools and heat it will still tend to fight back.

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Well I have never had anything like that to take off, but when I was putting in our shop lift we had a few nuts and bolt that had to be tighted to 320 and 240. What we did to make it easy was, put a long pole that wouldnt bend on the end of the rachet for extra leverage. Than we pulled, very easy to get stuff on and tighten stuff up.

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and its all got red 272 loctite on all the threads,so what ever you are using to hold it better be good,the nut is the easy part,the spider ia all loctite too, that has to be heated until you smell it good and use about a 4ft swing bar
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rsss396 @ Feb 14 2007, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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You well also need a clutch holding tool that you bolt the clutch down on, you will need a 30mm or 33mm depending on your sled f7 are 33mm most older sleds even large cc's use 30mm.[/b]
bypass these taperd ends, in most cases, the clutch will spin and GALL it's inner taper,, spend the money and get Micro-Belmonts multi brand base tool and wrench along with the adaptor for cats jam nut, you won't be sorry,, and yes, mine is mounted on a 2'' post also along with the one i have directly bolted onto the side of my hydraulic press in my shop


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (900geek @ Feb 15 2007, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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and its all got red 272 loctite on all the threads[/b]
actually try green ''#609'' compound, cat uses it exclusively, it's nearly 50% stronger than the limp wrist red stuff,, that is the reason I suggest getting the M/B setup,, the tapered mount tool is a waste of time

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Have not seen the micro belmont what kind of money for it?
Tapered end style I have has 2 stops that will keep it from spinning.
My jam nut socket has worked without problems but will admit it could be better.
Heating correctly has always made the differance between fighting and not fighting it for me.
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