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Does anyone from Arctic Cat inc read our posts?

Waited a long time to buy a new sled, got a 2016 M8000 with 1.75 back country track and wide front. Thought I would love it and at 575 miles its back at the dealership with an exploded belt. Its bogging, 8 miles per gallon, hard starting slow piece of junk. Only thing good I can say is its a wheelie monster and I don't get sore riding it. Not new to riding, started with a 1969 panther, 73-79 panthers, lynx, and jags, 1990 prowler, 1992 ext 580 special, 1992 wildcat, 1996 580 zr, 1996 zr 440, 1997 zrt and ext 600 triple, 1999 t cat, 2001 mountain cat 800, 2004 king cat 900, 2005 f-7 ext 700 144, 2009 m1000 with a few Polaris and Yamaha thrown in. This new sled is a piece of junk and Im outta here until cat gets rid of the tcl and the goofy clutches. I didn't buy a 800 to ride 65 mph down the trail. Told the dealer to sell my 16 if he can, I will scratch the rest of the year.

Rode the new sidewinder 153 1.75 yesterday and all I can say is wow, what a difference. Will cruise at 80 all day around 16-20 mpg and I hit 113mph and let off cause I was catching the Yamaha demo guide really quick. Fox clickers, man what a ride and machine.

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yes and I appreciate the advice etc. Just wondering if someone from arctic cat is a member and maybe brings issues to the board room. We are their customer.

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Cut and paste your post here to RipoffReport.com Send the URL of your testimonial to Arctic Cat Canada and Arctic Cat USA. You'll soon get a response!

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You bought a M8 this is not a sled that is going cruse down trails at 80mph all day long unless you changed the gearing.

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Just wondering if someone from arctic cat is a member and maybe brings issues to the board room. We are their customer.
Yes, and very rarely is info posted here relayed back to the veteran engineering team..

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Rather sounds like you have 0-3000ft clutching but riding at higher altitude. That makes it rev very poorly and bog.

Also, if you're hitting trails with an M sled (even with 1.75 short lugs) it will be running supremely hot and the ECU will fatten up the fuel mix to compensate unless you make a point to hit the powder at every opportunity. Here's the cooler on your M sled:
2016 Arctic Cat M 8000 SNO PRO 153 (S2016M8HSPUSO) COOLING ASSEMBLY | Babbitts Arctic Cat Partshouse
Its just a tiny heatsink all the way at the front of the tunnel, its only in use when you hit powder. It doesn't even reach the small kink in the tunnel. The top bit of it is also not in use at all unless your tunnel is absolutely full of powder, on trails only the one at the front is in use, and only just barely any snow hits it.
Here's the XF heat-exchanger:
2016 Arctic Cat XF 8000 HIGH COUNTRY 141 SNO PRO ORANGE (S2016X8HHIUSO) COOLING ASSEMBLY | Babbitts Arctic Cat Partshouse
It reaches all the way back to the top of the rear of the tracks.
The M sled also has the exact same snowflap as the 141" XF, but it really needs a longer snowflap to catch the snow from the taller M rear, so that it actually travels through the tunnel instead of just being thrown under the snowflap. If you soften up the rear suspension pre-load so that its slightly shorter between the snowflap bottom and the trail, you'd run cooler.

Friends of mine with 153-163" mountain sleds all have about 5 foot extra heat exchanger in the tunnel and a trail snowflap (long and rigid) to catch that snow so it travels up into the tunnel. And scratchers to cool the skids. Sounds like you should have bought the XF instead, which has all that already. Including a wide ski stance (narrow ski stance is the reason for getting an M).

PS: If your M sled is hard to start, perhaps you even have a low altitude ECU map which is way too rich in fuel mixture. You may also require different spark plugs than what's on it, since the air fuel load being compressed is very different in density and temperature depending on altitude.

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Changed the gearing from 19/50 to 22/49. This sled was a replacement for my 01 mountain cat 800 and king cat 900. the 01 never left me stranded until the end (big boom!)and only broke 2 belts in 12000 miles. And this is pulling dead sleds, a trail groomer, and woodcutting duty with a trailer sled made from a pickup bedliner. I gotta have the length for off trail, but it gotta run with the crew and the old ones did this just fine.

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The 2001 Mountain Cat 800 had a HUGE cooling system. A front heat exchanger, two heat-exhcangers that ran the length of the tunnel, and a heat-exchanger at the back next to the snowflap. Here's a sketch:
2001 Arctic Cat MOUNTAIN CAT 800 (S2001MCHCAUSB) COOLING ASSEMBLY | Babbitts Arctic Cat Partshouse
Zoom in and note that parts #18, #19 and #14 are sketched with bits cut out to make them fit on a smaller sketch, they're really longer parts than shown.
You can run this old well-cooled sled on trails all day no problems at all. But that is NOT THE CASE for modern mountain sleds. In the powder you don't need that heavy cooling system, so modern mountain sleds don't have that weight anymore.

But feel free to ignore this and stick to the hypothesis that the 2016 M800 is bad. To me its user error. May as well buy a ski-doo and complain that it doesn't run on water like the sea-doo's. M sleds are not trail sleds without big modification to the cooling system.

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