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From my research and experience, at least for the lithium battery I bought, says it does very well in the cold. And from experience, unless you have a gel type battery the standard electrolyte/ water cell batteries do not hold up very well in the cold! FYI I maintain back up batteries and battery components at a Nuclear facility so I have a little background here! A lot of are engineers are looking closer at the lithium batteries as replacement for are wet cell types(changing any system, especially battery backup for safe shutdown in a Nuclear facility is almost next to impossible), that is the main reason we have not switched!

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Well For one they aren't called "Water Cells" so if involved in the battery end of it you wouldn't call them that they are referred to as "Wet Cell Types". They aren't filled with water they contain electrolyte. What your missing is Number 1) the factory battery really IS an AGM, not a wet cell and I've shipped those to Antarctica. And Number 2) when not working for two Indy Car race teams and one sports car team I did industrial battery applications for Fiserv (banking data backup, as in everyone's checking account) Miller Brewing Company and Strong Investments. as well as testing for various suppliers and building our own industrial cells, Tubular, Electrolyte Circulated, Flat Plate, Absorbed Glass Matt and Valve Regulated. The testing on Lithium was extensive. They are light and also fragle. I was in that business for over 20 years For serious stuff like a sled starting in the middle of nowhere like I go, I'll stick with what works. The center of gravity argument is moot. Like I said that little bit you wouldn't notice.
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Well For one they aren't called "Water Cells" so if involved in the battery end of it you wouldn't call them that they are referred to as "Wet Cell Types". They aren't filled with water they contain electrolyte. What your missing is Number 1) the factory battery really IS an AGM, not a wet cell and I've shipped those to Antarctica. And Number 2) when not working for two Indy Car race teams and one sports car team I did industrial battery applications for Fiserv (banking data backup, as in everyone's checking account) Miller Brewing Company and Strong Investments. as well as testing for various suppliers and building our own industrial cells, Tubular, Electrolyte Circulated, Flat Plate, Absorbed Glass Matt and Valve Regulated. The testing on Lithium was extensive. They are light and also fragle. I was in that business for over 20 years For serious stuff like a sled starting in the middle of nowhere like I go, I'll stick with what works. The center of gravity argument is moot. Like I said that little bit you wouldn't notice.
I never called them water cells I said WET Cells , next sentence, (I was referring to what was in them), and the batteries we use do in fact have Electrolyte and Water in them! We use C & D Technologies "WET" type Cells as are plant back up batteries. We use Deionized water(DI)to get cell electrolyte levels back to a engineered specified level "above" cell plates due to evaporation. I am no Battery engineer, I am an Electrician who happens to maintain these battery systems as one of my many jobs I perform there. But I do talk with our Battery engineers we have on site. The main reason most facilities haven't gone to lithium is COST! Now I'm not trying to have a pissing match here with you, I've seen your stats and a lot of your involvement here. You clearly have quit a bit of knowledge and I'm grateful for what you bring here and the advise and knowledge you share.

You are correct with some of the Lithium batteries out there, "not" being up to snuff when it comes to durability. But there are some that are!

Also I just checked you are right about OUR factory batteries. They are indeed a Gel type. I brain farted on that one. I was thinking of the batteries on my Sno Scoot and my 2005 Sabercat 700, they were both WET types.

As for starting your sled in the middle of nowhere?? I would say yes I agree with you on that also, definitely use what is most reliable. But, that is why I have a pull start, that is my back up! I would say if you have a 4 -stroke(that's heavy already) or have the upper body strength of a 95 year old woman then yeah, definitely opt for the most reliable battery out there!

Now if your that worried about a dead battery in the middle of BFE, then I would suggest this nifty little jump starter I saw on Power Modz(You Tube), small, light weight and powerfull, it's actually really cool! I'll try and find you that link or the name of the company!

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Sulfuric acid and water = electrolyte
Specific gravity is what you are checking for SOC
I use the same batteries as at your work and they are VRLA batteries in a UPS so they don't off gas. The hydrogen that is created in a regular wet cell battery is extremely explosive.

VRLA=valve regulated lead acid
SOC=state of charge
UPS= uninterruptible power supply
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Sulfuric acid and water = electrolyte
Specific gravity is what you are checking for SOC
I use the same batteries as at your work and they are VRLA batteries in a UPS so they don't off gas. The hydrogen that is created in a regular wet cell battery is extremely explosive.

VRLA=valve regulated lead acid
SOC=state of charge
UPS= uninterruptible power supply
Similar? ours still release some hydrogen so we have WELL ventilated rooms! On a monthly basis, we have to check specific gravity's on all are cells and make sure they fall in our "Tech Specs" of greater than 1.204 for most our locations. We use a SBS-2002 for our testing. I can honestly say I hate battery testing/ PM's :-( Boring!! I come from the construction and service side of my trade, where this is more in line with the military side(Navy especially).

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