Arctic Chat

jason_hildo · 03-13-2011, 12:49 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by mtdream

I am trying to figure out where to shed weight on the m1100t

Lightweight battery 10lbs

Other thoughts?

Lightweight battery that saves 10lbs? I have never heard of such a thing, tell me more.

mtdream · 03-16-2011, 04:25 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by yort

The 1100 turbo very decisively out-climbs the new m8 cat testers proved this. Stock this sled is over .3 hp per lb at 10,000 ft, the xp and the m8 are going to be just over the .2 hp per lb at 10,000 ft. that is a HUGE power advantage for the turbo in stock form, spend 1000 on a can chip and gut the air-box and that advantage is in the stratosphere.

The airbox and associated plumbing and the can are a very easy 25 lbs.

The M8 will always outperform in the trees, so if that is where you ride simply get the M8.

Where did you get the 25 lbs. Data? Not arguing just curious...I know the hood and airbox/plumbing on current m8 is substantial, but did not/could not figure that out while looking at them in West yellowstone.... I hope it is true, as then I am down to roughly 500lbs....

mtdream · 03-16-2011, 04:41 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by jason_hildo

Lightweight battery that saves 10lbs? I have never heard of such a thing, tell me more.

Pretty normal for those of us that were on Yamaha Nytro's...Here are a few pics of the differences...I could have gone with an even smaller battery that would have saved a few more lbs.but as it, saved about 10lbs.

jason_hildo · 03-17-2011, 06:08 PM

Thanks what are the specs on the lighter battery? Its is the same rating? I would be all for the lighter unit if it still has enough juice to crank the engine over in really cold weather.

mtdream · 03-17-2011, 07:03 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by jason_hildo

Thanks what are the specs on the lighter battery? Its is the same rating? I would be all for the lighter unit if it still has enough juice to crank the engine over in really cold weather.

Cold cranking amps are less, but know loads of guys running even the smaller on ytz7s which I think is 130 cca's and the ytz10s (pictured) is 190 cca's

I think the stock was 270 cca's

yort · 03-18-2011, 02:12 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by mtdream

Where did you get the 25 lbs. Data? Not arguing just curious...I know the hood and airbox/plumbing on current m8 is substantial, but did not/could not figure that out while looking at them in West yellowstone.... I hope it is true, as then I am down to roughly 500lbs....

At the show I picked up a hood that was removed. The airbox is attaced to the hood, and the combination was surprisingly heavy, I did not have a scale but I would think in the 10 lb range could be removed, I did not have the opportunity to lift the muffler, but it is fairly large and I am thinking another 10 lbs possible there.

mtdream · 03-18-2011, 04:09 PM

Cool, I didn't have opportunity to lift hood or see with hood off....

Brappp · 03-18-2011, 07:16 PM

Just ordered my 2012 M8 pro-climb BLK from VMS Kelowna. I thought about buying the 1100 Turbo but I didn't because of the following. I'm currently riding a 2010 m8 snow pro with a Boondocker turbo pump gas kit. Iv'e got 2000 miles on it and it runs like a dream at 220hp, in the past I've owned a turbo Vector and turbo Apex. Both sleds went great but sucked boondocking not just because of the weight but how a four stroke performs compared to a two stroke. With a two stroke one can lay on and off the throttle when in the trees and keep the momentum rolling, with the four stroke when you lay off the throttle the sled acts like a boat anchor and completely stops. Its going to cost you $3000 more for the 1100 turbo, your going to have to purchase the 162 in-order to keep flotation. 177 hp is also not going to cut it for the weight. So now your going to have to chip, clutch and exhaust it to get 240 hp, the cost will run you $1500. So the total investment to get the 1100 turbo to work decently will be $3000 + $1,500 = $4,500. To Turbo a M8 with a Boondocker pump gas kit it will cost $6,500 or $2,000 more. You will have a reliable, 220hp sled that only weighs 450lbs instead of 550lbs. If your going to keep the 1100 turbo stock why bother even buying one, the stock m8 is a better sled and will lay the whoop ass all day and you won't get tired.

What about elevation on the M8 Pro Climb Boondocker Pump Gas Turbo: Turn up the boost as you accend.

Note: I live in BC and only mountain ride, if I was from the prairies it might be different, you might want a high km engine and weight is not an issue.

Just my thoughts,

yort · 03-19-2011, 10:43 AM

I think your logic is quite sound, but the boon docking ability of these new turbos will be worlds better than your previous 4-strokes, and much lighter too. But if you primarily ride in the trees, the slow speed tree work the M8 will always be better.
But the stock turbo will drastically out climb the stock M8 all day, so if climbing and sidehilling is your thing, the turbo will shine. And at some point in the future you want to get light chip and clutch it, the speedwerx ecu flash is about 700 and a couple hundred should reclutch it. 300 for a can, gut the airbox and you have a 525 lb monster that will still boondock really well.

You obliviously know what you are doing but the average snowmobiler could not rejet and check the plugs of a 2-stroke, so they lack the basic understanding to keep a 2-stroke safe. For the Masses the 1100 will be a safer choice, in my opinon the turbo M8 is an enthusiasts sled.
And now in Sask anyway, insurance companys will no longer insure aftermarket turbos on any sled, so if any form of insurance is important the turbo M8 is out.

Brappp · 03-21-2011, 11:32 AM

I think the Turbo M1100 would be a great choice for Saskatchewan or any other prairie province, It will defiantly be great for those 200 plus km runs and will still be a sled that will work well out west for trips to Revelstoke. Being able to insure the sled is also a bonus. I shouldn't be so picky, I forget that most of the snowmobiles sold in North America are in provinces or states that don't have 10-30 feet of snow and elevations are between 1500 ft. to 5000 ft. I have had some seat time on the Yamaha Nitro and I can honestly say that they will have 0.0 four-stroke sales in 2012. The local Yamaha dealerships are pissed because why would you buy one, their sleds are way under powered, heavy and have a big price tag, it isn't going to cost that much more for the 1100 turbo. Hats off to Arctic Cat and the pro climb 1100 turbo, I’m sure customers won’t be disappointed. I like the idea of a four stroke that will run for 25,000 km and each year you can spend $500 and get a whole lot of more HP. People that buy this machine will probably keep it longer and get less depreciation when they go to sell it.

Note: The m8's since 2010 have electronic fuel injection, there is no need to jet. They are also really reliable and fuel efficient.

I guess there isn't any reason to argue over two Awesome sleds, cat should have a big pay day in 2012.

Brappp