Arctic Chat

mtnxtreme · 03-10-2011, 07:45 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by predator800

Any know what the 800 weight is?

I'd like to know that myself, if they can't match Doo's weights I might have to jump ship, weight is king>

ippielb · 03-10-2011, 11:46 AM

2012 M1100 Turbo SoPro LTD = 562 pounds

predator800 · 03-10-2011, 05:55 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by mtnxtreme

I'd like to know that myself, if they can't match Doo's weights I might have to jump ship, weight is king>

It's been my expierence that just because the weight is less doesn't mean they perform better. A well ballanced machine is much better. All magazine writers agree M is better than doo in the mountains.

alaskaKingKat · 03-10-2011, 10:16 PM

If we calculate the power to weight ratio, which I have done with conservative numbers, there is very little advantage (In theory) to the new sleds. I compared a 2010 M1000 HP/Weight versus the 2012 M1100 turbo HP(With D&D power module 215 HP on pump gas)Wieght.

With that said, only time will tell the "ground truth" in how they perform in real world conditions.

My gut feeling is a 215 HP sled would be a blast....but at 565 pounds, is the M1000 or even the M8 HO be funner?

What do you cats think?

teamboracer · 03-11-2011, 12:09 AM

when your figuring power to weight ratios, keep in mind that the 1100t does not loose horsepower as you go up in elevation where as a non turbo engine loses 3% per 1000ft elevation! simple terms here if you got a sled that has 150 horse at sea level, that same sled is only going to have 100 horse at 10,000ft

mtnxtreme · 03-11-2011, 07:03 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by predator800

It's been my expierence that just because the weight is less doesn't mean they perform better. A well ballanced machine is much better. All magazine writers agree M is better than doo in the mountains.

I hear that, but throwing around an extra 75 pounds, which is what the difference has been since 08, maybe even earlier, gets to be pretty played after a long day, and I don't speak for myself, I know a few guys that are eyeing up the XP and they been Cat guys for years. I had an 08 Summit XP and it was light, but I gotta agree with you in one aspect it had a kinda heavy feel in the front, never did quite figure that out, but it was 75 lbs. lighter than a 08 M8.

stevewm7 · 03-11-2011, 12:26 PM

I would think that the front would be pretty heavy on the 1100 and make that sled really want to dive in the powder.

kam · 03-11-2011, 02:05 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by stevewm7

I would think that the front would be pretty heavy on the 1100 and make that sled really want to dive in the powder.

Well, if you read about the new M1100 more, Cat claims that they have almost equalized the weight 50/50. Which no other 4stroke has been able to do. So maybe it wont dive as bad as you think....

alaskaKingKat · 03-11-2011, 02:23 PM

Teamboracer:

You are correct sir, this is a calc for sea-level conditions. Luckily our mountain riding in Alaska is significantly lower than mountain riders in the lower 48. Very rarely do I ride above 2000'... However, 75#'s is still 75#'s extra to be lugging around. Even "if" the sled is absolutley balanced, which I doubt for a first year model, it will still take more effort (work) on the rider and this has an exponential effect after 4 hours of riding in 6 foot of fresh snow. IMHO, unfortunately this is a step in the wrong direction; only time will tell.

As far as why the doo's nose dive, I believe the "rider-too-far-foward-position" is the diminishing return. Look at the doo's from the side and see where you actually stand in relation to the track and rear suspension. Just an observation..

Personnaly, I would love to have seen the 174" x 2.25" track on a sled...many times this year it would have been nice; but the 162 power claw did just fine and the 153 HCR's were envious...LOL.

This is a great forum you guys, I like seeing the posts of some real world riders without the drama...I think I found a new home..LOL

mtdream · 03-11-2011, 08:21 PM

I am trying to figure out where to shed weight on the m1100t

Confident I can follow a similar path as I did on my nytro....

Lightweight battery 10lbs
Exhaust can- 10-15 lbs.
Rear skid- Timbersled- 10 lbs.
Airbox area- 10-12 lbs???

Other thoughts?