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post #1 of 37 Old 06-04-2009, 11:23 AM Thread Starter
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I did a search of this last night and a few members aren't giving out the correct info and this is probably a very important topic.
In my 07 manual for All Automatic Models (models in this manual are 400 auto and manual, 500 auto and manual, 650H1 650H1 TBX and 700efi is says "thread dipstick in to read oil level except the following models, 400/500/650H1". (400 & 500 models being suzook and 650H1 being a Cat)
So the theory that suzuki engines get threaded in and Cat engines do not, or vise versa, isn't a straight across the board answer.
Next is the 09 manual for my 700 H1 and the 550H1, it states to thread in the dipstick to check oil. The 09 700/550 H1 being a Cat engines.
The best thing to do is get the correct info for your model and use a permanent marker to write it on your quad somewhere. i.e on the inside of a panel or under the seat. It's listed in your owners manual. Dont have an owners manual? Just have someone on A/Chat look into their manual as long as it's the same year or buy one, they are pretty cheap. Owner's manuals cover most every model for that particular year. Some manuals are confusing. The 09 manual for the H1 700 is typed out very clearly, so Cat must be is listening.
From what I have read, some dealers are giving out the wrong info.
Different year 650's take different amounts of oil and most likely use both methods of threading or not. Also the V2-650 takes a different amount of oil compared to the H1 and I'm really not sure which method is used to check that engine.
Get the right info for your YEAR and MODEL.
Over filling can be as destructive as under filling. Over filling can cause the crank to slap the oil,(not good), and oil to foam up which leads to air in the oiling system (not good).
Some manuals say to start engine and run it for a while then check oil level.
You spent a lot of your money on your machine, your engine oil level is probably the most important "thing" to get right.
I personally have to read it myself before changing my oil, so last night I got out the manuals. Both the 07 700 (suzook) and the 09 700 Cat are both threaded in to check oil level. They both take different oil amounts though.
I'll take some pictures of the manuals and post them here..............tigger



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ive been told h1 --thread,,,suzuki--dont thread
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I asked cat dealer they said do not thread for 650 H1 lol
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I had the same problems...conflicting info from the dealer (says dont thread) and the manual (says thread)...once i put it in writing(email) and asked the dealer, the dealer really checked out the facts and all that Tiggershark says is correct.
SO again...
For the MudPro (700) thread it in!!!.....mine was way too full, the dealer checked it not threaded....They now know to thread in the 700s for accurate readings.....

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (silvercat420 @ Jun 4 2009, 10:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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ive been told h1 --thread,,,suzuki--dont thread[/b]
You've been giving some bad info. It varies from year to year and machine to machine.
Oil amounts for 2007 machines listed 400 auto and manual 3.25 US quarts--500 manual 3.5 US quarts--500 auto 2.6 quarts--650H1 2.6 quarts and 700 efi 2.6 qts
Here's the 2007 manual, it covers the 400/500/650H1/700efi (500 manual trans has a sight window for easy oil level reading)
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Now the 09 manual for the 550 H1 efi and 700H1 efi only.
Oil amounts for 2009 550H1 and 700H1 both take 2.0 US quarts.
If you have different manuals, please post a picture of them here, including models covered and year. thanks .....tigger
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I want to share something with you: The three little sentences that will get you through life. Number 1: Cover for me. Number 2: Oh, good idea, Boss! Number 3: It was like that when I got here.


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All this confusion is shear PANDALEERIUM!!! ( I MY WIFEY'S '09 550H1 EFI:

HOW TO CHECK:
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HOW MUCH OIL:
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since neither machine is a SUK engine I'm going by what these manuals are saying. I know for a fact the TRV one is accurate. Haven't changed any oil in the 550 yet.
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2013 700H1 TRV XT (Mine!!) - 485mls
2009 550H1 EFI (GF's) - 1120mls
2008 650H1 TRV (gone...but not forgotten) - 2250mls
2009 250Utility 4x2 (was great!! till "The Boy" outgrew it) - 480mls
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JD700EFI @ Jun 4 2009, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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Suzuki engines= do not thread stick in

AC engines= thread stick in[/b]


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cupsz71, what other models are listed in your 2008 cd manual? If you can, list them along with the correct way to check levels and oil amounts from the pictures you posted, (thanks for posting that)
Oh and a picture from the cover of the manual (cd or paper) would really be helpful.
We are looking for accuracy here, not just guess's.
I hope that nobody wrecks an engine because they over filled it, or under filled it, just looking out for my fellow Cat riders..............tigger



“How is education supposed to make me feel smarter? Besides, every time I learn something new, it pushes some old stuff out of my brain. Remember when I took that home winemaking course, and I forgot how to drive?”


I want to share something with you: The three little sentences that will get you through life. Number 1: Cover for me. Number 2: Oh, good idea, Boss! Number 3: It was like that when I got here.


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