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Old 01-30-2008, 10:00 PM   #1
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I have been hearing rumors about can am having a 1000cc 4 wheeler next year. Any one hear this? Anyone with a thunder cat race with a 800 outlander. My brother in bought one that sob will realy go!!
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Old 01-30-2008, 10:05 PM   #2
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heard it was gonna be a 990cc side by side that will be out first.....
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heard it was gonna be a 990cc side by side that will be out first.....[/b]
i heard rumer of the same as above.
im thinking brp or can am should fix the bugs with there machines before putting a bigger engine in the quad.
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Old 01-30-2008, 11:13 PM   #4
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It's going to be non-stop rumors just like last year with the T-Cat.
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Old 01-31-2008, 05:34 AM   #5
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I think the first time I heard the 950 V-twin rumour was back in '04, maybe '05, not sure when actually. But it was long before the 800 Outlander or rumours of it appeared.

It is interesting how the rumours of a BRP with even larger displacement hit the scene after Cat's 950 V2 became reality... Not before.

The rumour mill sure is a crazy grind!
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Old 01-31-2008, 07:50 AM   #6
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i honestly think the atv manufacturers should all agree to a displacement limit of 1litre. the japanese auto manufacturers have agreed to a similar 286hp, though that means they only underrate their engines at such even though they actually put out way north of that number.

i think this agreement will make the companies more competive by trying to squeeze out more power out of what they have, this way the companies wont just "forget" about their lower disp. models as well when they come out with the newest and biggest thing.

the trails i ride wont even let me use the full potential of my 650 twin much less a 1000cc machine. i know i dont ride the same mud pits as you guys and need all the power you can get to turn 30" plus tires in the thick stuff, but thats where the more power out of the same disp. comes from. can am has been doing something similar by making the most powerful engines in any given class.

if the atv companies wont agree to such a thing then maybe the govt's should limit what registration you can get, dont the tcats have to be registered as a class 2 orv in some states?
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They're already dropping what are effectively street-bike powerplants into these things, and.. as for Can-Am coming out with a 1000cc quad.. I don't trust their frames as it is, first time you rev an engine with that much power it might torque the frame in half. , just my .02... Give me EFI for my 650 and I'd be happy enough.
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exactly, trickle down technology from the big bore quads down into the 5 and 400 class quads, can am has a 400 efi, why dont the man. follow suit? if you get that limit on displacement that forces companies to put out more power, they have to focus on other parts of the quad such as susp. and frames to make the quad feel much faster with the same amount of power.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wyo_H1_Cat @ Jan 31 2008, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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It's going to be non-stop rumors just like last year with the T-Cat.[/b]
If you haven't heard a new rumor each week, Start one.

As for imposed limits from state or federal limits on displacement, I cannot agree to that, Its against freedoms one should have in a free society. This country needs less government controls not more in my opinion. As for the power available in a large bore? Yeah I like the idea, Ever ride a 650 at 10,000- 12,000 ft. You loose about 3-3 1/2 percent of your HP per 1000 ft elevation change because the air is thinner. That could be a 42% drop in HP even on an engine properly jetted. Ride with about 22 HP available at the crank of a 650H1 at 12,000 ft under ideal conditions. You'd want more too.

Only way to get more power is to either install a supercharger and or internal engine mods which decrease engine life or add more displacement. Is it more power than you need at lower elevations? Probably, but doesn't mean you need to use it all the time just because its there. The key is that it's there when you need it. The bike pictured under my user name is a Yamaha Stratoliner. 113 cubic inch displacement. (1854CC) The way its currently set up it has over 100 HP and about 118 ft lbs of torque at sea level. Pretty damn respectable from a factory V-twin engine. Its capable of 130+ MPH and tire smoking acceleration. I don't ride at 100% power delivery but its there when I need it or want it, like loaded with luggage and riding double passing a Semi at high elevations.
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I find most associate engine size/power with speed only. Statements like "I don't need to go that fast." is a good example. Fact is, when on a rough trail even a 400 can go too fast if held WOT.

Yes, more power can give you more speed. But realistically no one rides WOT 100% of the time for most engine sizes, so engine size really isn't only about speed potential alone.

To me, bigger engines, or bigger power, is all about the power itself (torque)... The power to accelerate, not how fast it can go.

For the way I ride, I want enough power to make the front end light... To pop that front end up or make the front end light to negotiate rough terrian easier/safer while already at trail speed, it's not necessarily only about popping the wheels over a log at crawling speeds.

But hey, it's the way it is... Folks are going to associate power to the way they ride within their skill & expectations. The part about only focusing on speed potential really doesn't globally define what power can be or do.

My 650 does have the power to reach speeds more than fast enough. But it lacks true torque, it just doesn't have it.
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I think brp is pretty far behind in only offering a 2 up quad and no side by side. they are a popular manufacturor and i think a lot of people would be happy to see them come out with a side by side, I wonder what they'll comprimise to keep it light though
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