Originally posted by the freeze
@Jul 11 2005, 09:59 PM
I slimed my pops's TRV and we live in Minnesota not Canada cold but still plenty zero degree days and I noticed no vibration in the winter however we ride very little in the winter sleds go much faster* and curse anyone that trash's a snowmobile trail by trying to ride their wheeler on it in the winter
Off topic... If you want to read about slime, skip this post. My apologies.
I generally only use the ATV in the winter for plowing... I use the snowmobile on the snowmobile trails, as it is illegal to use the ATVs on the snowmobile trails anyway.
Yes! ATV use on OFSC trails that are on Crown land (Ontario) is illegal!!!
The OFSC leases the crown land from the MNR (with our OFSC trail permit dollars).
This means the OFSC has legal right to the designated sled trail lands almost as much as ownership... Including the same responsibilities as ownership. Non-OFSC permit holders (ATVs) can actually be charged with tresspassing on OFSC trails crossing over Crown land.
Also... If anyone, (ATVers too) get hurt on the leased/designated OFSC trails on crown land, the OFSC can be held liable/responsible for the injury. Which is why only permit holders are allowed. If the ATVer successfully sues the OFSC for injuries... Guess what? Our sled permit prices skyrocket some more!
An ATV's tires have a tendency to 'trench' as it goes along in the snow, which can leave deep ruts if the snow isn't hardpacked enough to support the weight of the ATV.
Deep ATV tire trenches can be dangerous to a sled going along at a decent speed... Can't visually detect a white hole in white snow, so if the skis hit it the wrong way, it is possible to cause a crash. People can get hurt... Imagine if there were deep winding ruts 15" deep that suddenly appeared in front of your car on the road while you're doing 50-60 kph or faster! It amounts to loss of control, which can be very unsafe.
Sure, I can drive my sled around the deep ATV wheel trenches if I see them in time... But why should I? My OFSC permit dollars paid for the grooming!!!
I don't even drive the ATV on my own sled trail on my property because it ruins the snow surface a little bit with each pass.
A problem for sled trail conditions from ATVs using the snowmobile trails is the ATV wheels churn as they go along, often digging up soil/dirt from underneath. This destroys the snow as soon as the sun comes out, because the dirt-darkened snow melts quickly when the sun hits it. This is ATV damage that is not seen by the ATVer, because it happens after he's long gone.
After the surface destruction I witnessed on the trails last year from ATVs, I vowed to record license plate numbers of the ATVs and report them for their illegal disregard for others. I'll even go to court as a witness if I have to.
Sorry for the off-topic rant folks... But I'm a sledder and ATVer. Those who don't have both usually don't care about the other vehicle type user. That's just plain inconsiderate!
In the long run, not caring about the other trail users can end up in loss of trails for everyone, or escalating prices for everyone (OFATV, OFSC, EOTA).
In the near future, all motorized vehicles using crown lands in Ontario will require permits. So ATVers in Ontario, don't be surprised when you have to buy permits too.
Care for and respect each other, and the rights of others. We have to, if we want to share the trails long into the future. It's better than all of us losing trail access.